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Why is my edit not being saved

I’m trying to leave sources for my draft Draft:Angry Birds VR Isle of Pigs but the edit won’t save. Why is that. Sonicfan200530 (talk) 23:05, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  • OK I got one site but it wasn’t the one I was trying to use. Sonicfan200530 (talk) 23:07, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
    If it's no issue on your side there should be some red box explaining why you can't save a reference, e.g., some URLs are globally or locally (=on enwiki) black listed, because they were known to be abused for link spam or hopelessly unreliable. If you're using a mobile device it could be a bug on enwiki's side, but now I'm already guessing, maybe try to post an example here, without the http: or https: at the begin. – (talk) 23:21, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Editing a pre-existing entry

I have just wasted about 2 hours editing the entry for the fossil amphibian, Pteroplax. Now, when I google "Pteroplax" I am referred to the original entry. All my work appears to have gone to waste. Why?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Jonathan Boyd (talkcontribs) 19:37, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Michael Jonathan Boyd. Please remember to WP:Sign your posts on pages like these. The reverting editor did not leave an edit summary. Would you be willing to clarify, @FireBlade708:? JTP (talkcontribs) 19:45, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Hello and thanks for asking your question. You didn't sign your post here, are you Michael Jonathan Boyd? I just took a quick look at the article and at first glance, it looks like another editor reverted you. It is advisable to contact an editor (you) before such a mass deletion. I see that no one brought up the issue on the talk page of the article. I also see that the content you added had few, if any references added to support your edits. I didn't find any discussion about the deletion on your talk page or the talk page of the other editor. I did see the other editor is new and may have not known discussions like this need a better explanation. I also see that you are also a 'newbie' here. The other editor is 'allowed' to make the changes that they made. This is my explanation of what happened. Your edits are not really lost and can be restored but I will wait for your reply to this Teahouse message. Best Regards, Barbara 20:00, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I was tempted to edit a lamentable 'stubn' on Pteroplax, spent a couple of hours looking up references, and another writing the text. I cited 5 scholarly papers/theses as references to my edit (I did a Masters by research on Pteroplax). I am not *very* computer-literate and, if this is what happens to people who fall for the Wikipedia request to readers to improve entries, I shall not be doing it again. I wish someone ad told me what I had done wrong, instead of deleting the fruits of about 3 hours work! Btw, yes,l I am Michael Jonathan Boyd.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Jonathan Boyd (talkcontribs) 20:40, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear @Michael Jonathan Boyd: I understand your frustration; the other user (FireBlade708) reverted your clearly constructive and helpful edits without explanation. I’d say if they don’t explain why they reverted your edits in due course, please reinstate your edit. It is all saved in the page history, here. Regards, Zingarese talk · contribs 21:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Michael Jonathan Boyd, thank you for trying to improve Wikipedia. In the only instance I have been able to check, it seems that you were right and FireBlade708 was wrong, the naturalist's name was Atthey,[1] not Atthby. My guess is that FireBlade708 reverted your edits because they did not cite any references, though they did list some. I suggest that you restore the constructive changes you made, but that you cite the references (see WP:REFB) after each statement that they support. I would do that for you, using the article's "View History" tab to access them – but I don't have access to the sources you listed. Maproom (talk) 21:34, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
@Michael Jonathan Boyd: I have reverted the other editor, who had, regrettably, twice undone your work. I'm very sorry that happened - I know how upsetting that can be. Just like you, they are pretty new here themselves, and I suspect this was a genuine, but clumsy mistake on their part in their enthusiasm to revert vandalism by others. As you'll have seen, I have subsequently made some improvements in page structure and to the references you added to the the article. I have also left what I hope is a clear but polite explanation on the other editor's talk page, and I hope neither you nor they are put off from future editing. That really is very important to us here. I'll pop over to your talk page and have a chat about how I (or others) can guide you further, and also explain how to put a little note on your userpage to clarify what we call a Conflict of Interest in editing articles you've written about in the academic literature. It doesn't stop you from doing so, but it does ensures openness whilst editing. (And just as an aside, I know you've been asked to ensure you sign your talk page posts with four keyboard tildes -like this: ~~~~ - but please don't start a new discussion topic each time, assuming it's about the same thing, but simply add replies or follow ups to the bottom of first thread you start - just as you would in any discussion forum. We indent each reply by adding one more colon character to the start of that reply.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
  1. ^ "Thomas Atthey". Natural History Society of Northumbria.

Silurian Geographical Timeline

Is "Silurian graphical timeline" messed up for anybody else, or is it just my computer? You can see it on these pages. Lxxl2 (talk) 02:23, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Lxxl2: Someone vandalized Template:Silurian graphical timeline. I have reverted their change. If you still see the broken code, try purging the page. Eman235/talk 02:24, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Is YouTube regarded as a reputable citation source?

I wanted to possibly use a YouTube video to prove a musician played with another particular musician at a specific venue. The YouTube video supports the information on musician's Wiki page that he did indeed play with this well-known guitarist, who hosts a particular jam night for guitarists. Or is YouTube not used for citations? Thanks, BahnJour9120 (talk)

Videos can be used as references, if they are in some way "official", i.e., no fan videos etc., but a video on, e.g., the YouTube channel for Full Frontal with Samantha Bee can be used as source for something she featured in her TBS show. – (talk) 22:39, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
@BahnJour9120:, in addition to the above advice, you'll find a few more details with examples and various other aspects at Wikipedia:Video links (for example the self-published and primary nature of many YT videos, or possible copyright issues). YouTube is not prohibited, but should be handled with some caution on a case by case basis. GermanJoe (talk) 22:56, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Got it. I will look into the link you provided. Thanks GermanJoe. BahnJour9120 (talk)

@BahnJour9120:Can also read WP:YTREF for more info.--Vin09(talk) 03:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Missing birth/death date

Hi again, I've been trying to locate sources for deceased elected officials but I really couldn't find their birth and death dates. Even the government office/s they once worked for don't have records. Although I may have yet to pay a visit in the local public libraries and museums (fingers crossed), does MOS:BLPLEAD really require these information? Could we leave them like undetermined or the like? What are the options, if there are any? Again, thanks Verbosmithie (talk) 14:19, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Verbosmithie. Thank you for asking this question because I am sure that there are other editors who may need information on this same topic. First, it is extremely important that information about people be referenced. Also, it is frustrating not to be able to find that the information you want even after looking so hard for it. There are lots of biographical articles that have no information about the death of a person. If you are using an info box, there is a section asking for the date of the person-but you can just leave it blank. Perhaps another editor will be able to find the date. Best Regards, Barbara 15:19, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
If the information isn't easily found in reliable sources, it probably shouldn't be included. However, sometimes you just need to know where to look. Many WikiProjects include lists of resources, so that's where I'd start. The Google News Archive, Google Books,, and The Wikipedia Library are valuable resources. Between them, I've found most of what I needed online in digitized form. You should also check out national libraries. Some of them are restricted to their own citizens, but you can often get enough information out of them to make a search worthwhile. If you're serious about editing Wikipedia, you'll probably end up with a lot of random bookmarks like British Council, EDGAR, and National Library, Singapore. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 08:13, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Wiki introduction

Will I be able to receive some cash at a later stage while I keep in writing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 04:17, 11 May 2019 (UTC), no, we're all volunteers here. Eman235/talk 05:02, 11 May 2019 (UTC) You aren't going to get cash from Wikipedia, as noted, we are all volunteers, working here to help improve this project for the benefit of the world. We cannot stop you from asking outside parties to pay you to edit for them, but this is not looked upon well by other editors. You would also be required to comply with the paid editing policy and declare who is paying you. 331dot (talk) 08:53, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Creating an article about Paul Emile Coni

HI there, There is already an article about the printing of the first postal stamp in Argentina. My great-great grandfather was Paul Emile Coni, the person that printed it but he has no page about him yet. I found two of his kids in Wikipedia and some loose information about publications printed in his famous "Imprenta Coni"

How can I create a page for him or request somebody to do it if I provide the info?


I am very new to this and it is a bit complicated— Preceding unsigned comment added by AndreaLabat (talkcontribs)

@AndreaLabat: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure a separate article about your great-grandfather is warranted, but if you have the appropriate reliable sources, it is very possible this could be mentioned in the article Postage stamps and postal history of Argentina. I would suggest visiting the talk page of that article(Talk:Postage stamps and postal history of Argentina) and bringing this up there so interested editors who follow that article can help you decide how to work that into the article. If you really think a separate article is warranted, you can request that one be created at Requested Articles, although the backlog there is very large. Writing a new article is very difficult; if you want to attempt to do so, you can read Your First Article and then submit a draft using Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

About my recent contribution to wikipedia

Hello! Everyone. I recently joined wikipedia as a member, that is why I'm not very aware about the nitty-gritties of writing articles here. I have a question to ask that why my recent wikipedia article is not showing up in search engines' results. How much time will it take for my article to show-up on search engines?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhayoct13th (talkcontribs)

Hi Abhayoct13th and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that you have put a lot of work into your article Abhijeet Srivastava, but it will not appear in Google searches until it has been reviewed. Please be patient because this can take some time. See Wikipedia:New pages patrol for details of the process. Please sign talk page edits using four tildes ~~~~ Dbfirs 11:19, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

User page

How can we view and redirect ourselves to an unpublished page that is being edited by us after logging into our account?

Unfortunately, your user name MMMS2019 seems to be a shared account, so is not allowed under Wikipedia rules. Each account must be for one individual. See Wikipedia:Username policy for details. Your user page is at User:MMMS2019, and your talk page is at User talk:MMMS2019, but these will never be indexed by Google. I suggest you use social media to publicise your group. Each of you is welcome to create an individual account, and we welcome contributions "to the free world of knowledge". Dbfirs 12:36, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't know how to appropriately fix a dead link.

Hello. I don't know how to appropriately fix a dead link, for a citation. The link in question is the 3rd in the References list of this page: I have managed to find a bunch of snap-shots on Internet Archive (*/, but I don't know where to go on from there. Sincerely, AWearerOfScarves (talk) 18:41, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

The reference uses {{Cite web}}, which has parameters for this: |archive-url=, |archive-date=, and |dead-url=. You can see how I've used these here. rchard2scout (talk) 19:46, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much! AWearerOfScarves (talk) 12:53, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Alan Moss obituary

I was surprised that the Alan Moss obit suggested that Middlesex team was weak at the time. As well as Alan, a superb reliable bowler, they had John Murray - sometime England keeper, batsman -Denis Compton, Bill Edrich and Denis Compton and top spinners Fred Titmus, Phil Edmonds etc. Cheers, Peter Byford— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:40, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi IP I'm assuming that you're referring to the Wikipedia article Alan Moss when you posted "Alan Moss obit", and not something else. So, if you have any concerns over the content in the article then you can point them out to others by starting a discussion at Talk:Alan Moss or you can be WP:BOLD and try to address the issue by revising the content yourself. Be advised, though that article content is really only supposed to reflect what can be verified by checking reliable sources; article content is not really intended to be based upon our own personal opinions. So, if you can find reliable sources, which state that the team was actually quite strong, then feel free to rewrite the relevant sentence(s) to reflect those sources and then add citations in support. At the same time, if you feel that it cannot be verified through reliable sources that the team was weak, then perhaps try rewriting the relevant content in a neutral way which mentions the team but doesn't editorialize about how strong it was. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:08, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Contacting 'Dcirovic'.

Hello, I've never used this section of Wikipedia before. On 22/2/2016, I apparently made an edit for St. Patrick's College, Goulburn......I have only just noticed that 'Dcirovic' deleted my edit because he/she considered the article to be better before my edit. I have no idea now what this was about but would like to see the two versions side by side. Both my father and myself attended this College. Can you help with this enquiry ? The reason I began looking at Wikipedia tonight is that my computer screen opened with a photo of 'Eucalyptus Salubris', the text says it is a gum tree growing in the area of the Nullarbor Plain, Western Australia. The Latin meaning of Salubris is given, however the Latin meaning of the WORDS Nullarbor (nullus arbor) should also have been given. The very word Nullarbor means 'TREELESS', these trees would only be growing at either end or south of the Nullarbor Plain. I would appreciate it if this text could be edited in a suitable way by someone familiar with this system, and also please reply to my first enquiry above. Regards, wottaway Wottaway (talk) 14:15, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Wottaway, you can see them here. Near the top of the page, you can find a link to click 'previous edit' or 'next edit', and when you scroll down you'll see what the page looks like for each version. I will say that your edit broke the syntax, plus added two names into the notable alumni list who don't appear to have their own articles, which we generally consider means they are possibly not notable. --valereee (talk) 14:24, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

About editing in External links of a biography page

Can an instagram account of a person be mentioned in the 'External links' section? Abhayoct13th (talk) 13:40, 11 May 2019 (UTC)Abhayoct13th

Please go through WP:ELNO.--Vin09(talk) 13:44, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Per WP:ELMINOFFICIAL perhaps, if there's nothing "better". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:10, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Adding Citations

Hey there! I'm very new and I was wondering any helpful guidelines/tips for adding citations? I mostly just use a citation hunt page and then try to find one from there.

One question I had in particular was do song lyrics need a citation? And where would you even get one of those? The Miss Texas (Miss America System) page had a pop culture reference to Almost, by Bowling for Soup, and I didn't know if it needed a citation (but it had one of those handy citation needed boxes)

So the questions I really would love to have answered is do you have any helpful guidelines/tips/rules for adding citations? and what actually needs a citation?— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:46, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I recently used in a reference after checking that is already used as source on other enwiki pages, and therefore hopefully a "reliable source". Really good sources often have an enwiki page, e.g., you can put a wikilink in a work=The Guardian source. No luck for, I used instead of some work=[[…]].
Just in case, enwiki pages about songs and albums typically do not quote lyrics, one of several reasons against this are copyright issues. But if you decide that you have good reasons to quote some lyrics anyway you need of course a source, or more precisely, a free source. – (talk) 22:58, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
"Anything that is likely to be challenged" should have a citation. Readers need to know where the information comes from to verify it. If you search WP:RSN the reliable sources noticeboard, you may find discussions relating to the reliability of websites you want to use, and sometimes the relevant Wikiproject page will have a list of sources they find useful.
A lot of what is in those pop culture sections is completely irrelevant trivia. It should all be cited, even if only to prove its not WP:OR, and that an independent, reliable source found it notable enough to even mention. So you don't just need a citation for the lyrics themselves, but a reference that explains their connection/use in that particular example.
For general information about use of lyrics on full or part- start with WP:NOTLYRICS for guidelines and relevance. There is also information at WP:LYRICS. Curdle (talk) 12:35, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources may be useful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:16, 11 May 2019 (UTC)


I would like to add the largest metropolitan area (Delhi) in the infobox of India along with the largest city proper (Mumbai) with it. To get a better glimpse about what I am asking, the infobox of California has the largest city and the largest metro. I would like to do the same thing for countries. I have made this edit and another editor reverted my edits. I discussed the changes on the article's talk page, although the reverting editor is not involved with the discussion. Can you help me please? Interstellarity (talk) 15:21, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what it is that you want help with- you are discussing the issue and other editors have joined in; we cannot force the reverting editor to comment, though they did give a reason in the edit summary for their reversion that may need to be addressed. You could try gently asking them directly on their user talk page to comment, but again, if they don't wish to, we can't make them. You should continue to discuss the matter until there is consensus as to what to do next. 331dot (talk) 15:30, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
@331dot: I think you messed up my ping. I did not receive it, but anyway, thank you for the advice. Interstellarity (talk) 15:37, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I misspelled it. My apologies- I have fixed it for purposes of being correct. 331dot (talk) 15:41, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Interstellarity, it seems the discussion is going well, but give it awhile. If you want, you can ping the editor who reverted you or leave a note at their talkpage that discussion is happening. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
[1] Perfect! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:49, 11 May 2019 (UTC)


Hii, can anyone help me make my signature? CptViraj (talk) 14:47, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

CptViraj, you appear to have done it -- you just need to end your posts with four tildes, like this: ~~~~ --valereee (talk) 14:50, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi CptViraj. You already have a signature "CptViraj", but maybe you'd want to customize it a bit. Please refer to Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing your signature for information on various acceptable ways to customize a signature. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:51, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
@Marchjuly: @Valereee: Thanks! Regards - CptViraj (talk) 16:35, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Yang 2020 presidential campaign

Hey, everybody, I am new to Wikipedia, I am a Ph.D. student that loves this website. I am here to contribute to the vast knowledge Wikipedia has to offer. I recently tried to edit the above article to include Kamala Harris in the section regarding Asian-Americans running. Considering she is Indian I think she should be included some way in the section talking about Asain-Americans running. What do you guys think? Snakebite21 (talk) 16:52, 11 May 2019 (UTC)SnakeBite21

Speaking as a Briton rather than an American, I have observed that while British people refer to those from the Indian sub-continent and its neighborhood as 'Asians', in the USA the term more often refers to those from Japan, China and their general regions (although 'officially' it also encompasses the sub-continent). Consequently, in the context of a USA-centred article, an Indian person might not be considered 'Asian.' The linked article goes into details about what the term means in various parts of the world.
Ultimately, you would do best to raise this question on the article's Talk page and see what consensus emerges. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 18:14, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguating article name

I wrote an article about Shirley Gordon, a writer. There is already an article about Shirley Gordon, an athlete. 1. Did I disambiguate right? If not, can someone show/tell me how to fix it? 2. Should the athlete Shirley Gordon be distinguished now that there are two articles with that title? Thank you. --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 16:23, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi DiamondRemley39 - and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you added the dab correctly. And yes, in my opinion, there is no primary target, and so the other article should also have a dab, and a disambiguation created pointing to both articles.Onel5969 TT me 18:20, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for setting up the disambiguation page, Onel5969. I did a search and saw that Shirley Gordon is now known as Shirley Gordon Olafsson. I added the name to her article. Should the article be renamed?--DiamondRemley39 (talk) 20:53, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi DiamondRemley39 - That depends on whether or not she is more widely known with the Olafsson (married name?) appendage. WP:COMMONNAME is the guideline which should be followed. If indeed she is more well known by Olafsson, than yes, the page should be moved. If indeed she is more commonly known with Olafsson, simply move the page. Regarding the below comment by the below ip, it's not exactly accurate. If there are only 2 alternatives, like in this case, where neither is clearly the primary topic, WP:2DABS is the defining guideline, which then leads to WP:NOPRIMARY, which says "If there are multiple topics (even just two) to which a given title might refer, but per the criteria at Is there a primary topic? there is no primary topic, then the base name should lead the reader to the disambiguation page for the term."
[Edit Conflict] Where there are articles on three or more people of the same name it's best to add a parenthesised description (as you have done to the writer) to each of them and set up a Disambiguation page to which searches on the bare name will point. When there are only two it's common to choose the more well-known one and add a Hatnote to that article with a wikilink to the other subject along the lines of "This is the article about the athlete, for the writer see X X (writer)" (where the text here italicised is the wikilink). {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 18:30, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

what is the submission code for the article?

I am trying to submit my article to the AFC but I have forgotten the code you include to submit the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhaim (talkcontribs)

@Dhaim: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Since the last decline of the submission unequivocally states that the subject is not sufficiently notable for Wikipedia, I don't believe the code to resubmit is made available. Keep in mind that no amount of editing can make a subject notable. The only sources you have offered are routine announcements or press release type articles, which are not appropriate for establishing that this company meets the notability guidelines for companies written at WP:ORG. Please review them if you have not already. What is needed to establish notability are independent reliable sources that offer in depth coverage of the company, where the source has chosen on their own to write in depth about it. Press releases are not independent(even if printed in independent sources) as they just tell what the company wants to tell. Notices of awards also have little meaning, as any organization can give any 'award' they wish. Not every company merits an article here, even within the same field.
I see that this is the only subject you have edited about. If you work for this company, you must declare that per the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy. 331dot (talk) 15:39, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Versions of this draft declined four times in 2018 when submitted by User:Jemowkd and now rejected when submitted by User:Dhaim. Also, Jemowkd has the entire draft on User page. David notMD (talk) 21:37, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Welcoming new contributors

So what's the concensus on welcoming new contributors to Wikipedia, anyway? Do they deserve a personal touch, or do we just slap 'em with a template and call it a day? (Guilty as charged.) Also, I just realised that I was never welcomed to Wikipedia :'(. Granted, most of my edits are not in mainspace. Regards, Guywan (talk) 21:17, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Guywan. I don't think there's a consensus one way or another. There are many templates in Category:Welcome templates (a easy-to-understand list can be found at Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome templates) for different types of welcomes, and these are fairly easy to use and often contain lots of links to other pages which a new editor might find helpful. Using templates can save time, but they might seem a little impersonal to some people who prefer to write their own "welcomes". There's also a page like Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia which can be added as a link to a new editor's user talk pages. I think some members of Wikipedia:Welcoming committee might've even created a bot or two which will added welcome templates when the editor makes a certain type of edit, but not sure about that. I think the only (quasi-)consensus I've come across is related to not using welcoming templates with respect to new editors who seem to be intentionally trying to create problems and disrupt Wikipedia; many seem to go straight to user warnings in such cases. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
I sometimes use {{subst:welcome|newuser=y}} (which omits "thank you for your contributions") for somewhat problematic users. Eman235/talk 22:05, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
@Guywan: Welcome. You have our wish - I have left you a belated welcome. I actually think a heartfelt welcome and a bit of support is better than a three second template, but these are all I can offer you right now. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Asbury Park, NJ 1930's History

My Father had a Beauty School in AP during the 1930's. He was a pretty famous Hairdresser, Barber, and Wig maker (Postasure). He later had a shop on Royal Palm Way in Palm Beach, Fla, where he did many millionaires hair including Meriwether Post. He also made hairpeices for the famous singer John McCormack and many other famous people. Learning his trade in a apprenticeship in Berlin during the 1890's, He migrated to the US and Canada in 1904 where he sold hairpieces in NW Canada from a Motorcycle. He passed away @ 98 1/2 in 1986 in Columbia, Md. During his latter years He made wigs for the VA. He was Straight Pool Champion of Pittsburg, PA for a number of years with a run of over 60 shots.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul Micheel Jr (talkcontribs) 22:18, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Should I post this???? Paul Micheel JR— Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul Micheel Jr (talkcontribs) 22:23, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Hey, Paul Micheel Jr, welcome to the Teahouse. It sounds like your father had a pretty amazing life and business. If your father has been written about in detail and in depth by a number of reliable, independent sources (i.e. books, newspapers, magazines etc) then he might meet Wikipedia's Notability criteria. But there are millions and millions of amazing people in the world just like your father, but our test of whether or not they merit an entry in this encyclopedia rests purely and simply on whether the world at large has taken note of them. Only then would they merit a page here. Does that answer your question? Thanks for posting. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:38, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I see that Dhvani Bhanushali has Instagram as External Link

Can we add in external link section social media profiles?

Because I read that only officials are allowed (Websites/Blogs/IMDb/Bollywood Hungama) kinds.. WikiLover97 (talk) 13:43, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Who is "we"? Wikipedia Accounts must not ued by more than one person. Jannik Schwaß (talk) 13:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Jannik Schwaß, I think you could interpret that as "we editors of Wikipedia." --valereee (talk) 14:17, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
WikiLover97, I read WP:ELMINOFFICIAL to say that it can be ok to use a social media as the "official website" if there's nothing "better", but not a bunch of them. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:07, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Jannik Schwaß seriously I asked we (of course editors), Anyways thank you for the policy information I believe that is very important on Wikipedia to understand and act upon Policies. Can I get important policy links to read before I write my first article? --WikiLover97 (talk) 20:01, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
WikiLover97, I've posted several to your talk page! --valereee (talk) 00:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Mexico City Policy article is plagerized!!!

The article Mexico City Policy is plagiarized off this website: (talk) 23:22, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps it is the other way around? The Wikipedia article got its start in 2003. The website you are pointing out was just published recently. David notMD (talk) 01:20, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Goaliepowers: Welcome to the Teahouse. You have already raised this exact same point on the article's talk page - which is the right place to do that, rather than here. I have answered you there, and actually questioned whether your assertion is correct. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:23, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Why my editing was deleted?

My editing in sita has been deleted. Scientific meaning of sita is ultraviolet rays. I known this meaning from a dictionary in Gaya divisional library— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumitgaya (talkcontribs) 02:29, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Sita is the consort of Lord Rama. There is nothing in that article that relates to ultraviolet rays. Your changes have been reverted twice. If you think you can make an argument for your proposed changes, the right place is the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 02:43, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Someone is WikiBullying me

How do I officially report a "WikiBully"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danfloyd1 (talkcontribs) 02:48, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

This pertains to Lincoln-Way East High School and and image the user has uploaded without valid license information
I am not bullying you, it's not a "conspiracy to believe vandalism",[2] I am not admin, and I am not abusing you.[3] I am simply asking you to prove to Wikipedia that the img you uploaded is indeed something that we are allowed to use, and I am asking you to discuss on the article's talkpage whether the image you have uploaded is appropriate for the use you have put it to. It may be useful to show as part of the school's logo, but I would prefer to see an actual picture of the school's mascot rather than a heraldic style drawing if the editor is going to claim it is an image of the school's mascot. Meters (talk) 03:12, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Danfloyd1, you probably want to use OTRS to help verify that the author has indeed released the image under CC0. Eman235/talk 03:17, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi Danfloyd1. Wikimedia Commons and English Wikipedia are part of the same family so to speak, but they each have their own separate policies and guidelines specifically geared to the role each is intended to perform. Since Commons deals primarily with image files, the relevant policy is c:Commons:Licensing. Basically, Commons will only accept files when it can be verified to a fairly high degree of certainty that the uploader is the original copyright holder over what has ever been uploaded or that the original copyright holder has given their explicit consent for their work to be uploaded to Commons. After looking at the file, I think Meters is correct in stating that some kind of formal copyright ownership is needed. There are a couple of ways to do this: if you are the original copyright holder of the image, please follow c:Commons:OTRS#Licensing images: when do I contact OTRS?; if not, please follow c:Commons:OTRS#If you are NOT the copyright holder. Once the intent of the original copyright holder has been verified, an OTRS volunteer will add a template (Template:OTRS permission) to the file's page to indicate that the licensing has been verified. One other thing to consider is whether the file you uploaded is an official file created by the school or a derivative work based upon the mascot created by someone else as explained in c:Commons:Derivative works. Derivative works often involve multiple copyrights and can be trickier sort out.
As I mentioned above, Commons just deals with how files are licensed; Wikipedia, on the other hand, deals not only with how files are licensed, but also how they are used in articles. So, even though the licensing of the file might eventually be sorted out, there are still other issues related to context and encyclopedic value which may need to be resolved through discussion on the article's talk page. The best way to add images may be something which editors disagree upon, and when that happens the person wanting to add the image is going to be expected to establish a consensus to do so per Wikipedia:Dispute resolution just as they would be expected to do if the disagreement had to to do with adding textual content.
Finally, you're a new editor who tried to be WP:BOLD in improving an article; there's nothing wrong with that and that's what Wikipedia wants us to do. However, when we are making changes that another editor disagrees with, we need to try and understand why. The fact that someone disagrees with us doesn't make them a bully and them pointing out or flagging our edits as potential problems is also part of being here to improve Wikipedia. Having your edits undone can be frustrating for sure, but you need to be very careful when accusing others of wrongdoing because the Wikipedia community takes such accusations quite seriously; so they should not be made lightly. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:52, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

question to user Sudiani

If you have a question for another editor, please ask on that editor's talk page, not here. This isn't a bulletin board. John from Idegon (talk) 05:17, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi, you helped me to ask a question to user Sudiani about a Hollywood Reporter page 1 article from December 28, 1978 and he answered:

I don't have a copy of the article/edition. The New York Public Library for the Performing Arts have the daily editions of The Hollywood Reporter for that period which is where I saw the information. If you are just interested in the Jaws II record, possibly Variety reported similar information when Superman came out and their back issues are available online.

I would like to answer thst and ask another question :

Thanks for your attention Sudiani. I actually want to know about Superman movie Christmas 1978 box office and Hollywood Reporter from December 27 and 28 ,1978 has such info ( I am a Variety subscriber and unfortunately it doesn't have this information from Hollywood Reporter that you saw.) As I live in Brazil, I would like a favor: one day,if you go again to The New York Public Library for the Performing Arts , can you please copy the text or photo the 'Superman' takes $3.2 mil one day December 28th 1978 article for me?? And see if the December 27 edition has more info? I would be so grateful... Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starmarco2014 (talkcontribs) 05:07, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

1 year

It's been 1 year since i have edited wikipedia, i've always been very antisocial even in the internet so i couldn't really ask questions, but this year i will probably ask questions here, have a great day and thanks for reading this : ) --FromFrankTalk♬

@FromFrank: Welcome to the Teahouse. Feel free to ask any questions about editing here. Have a good day. Sincerely, Masum Reza 07:49, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
@FromFrank:I understand where you are coming from. Usually, I like to do things on my own as well and could be productive doing so. But I am glad you plan to engage with others because I found that it can also make your work easier, particularly benefiting from the knowledge and experience of other users (many here are eager to help). Also, since you have been with the community for a year, you can also share your thoughts and help others. Regards Darwin Naz (talk) 23:52, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
@Darwin Naz: Haha, thanks but i am still a beginner i just do gnome edits and the more shy type of editing but i am learning some new things along the way, maybe in 10 years i can understand half of what's going on here in wikipedia :p --FromFrankTalk♬ 04:49, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
@FromFrank: If you are trying to be more active on Wikipedia and would like to become a more experienced editor, feel free to take the The Wikipedia Adventure, which is a fun, basic tutorial on the groundwork of editing. Eclipsefc (talk) 02:32, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
@Eclipsefc: Sorry but i only use my phone to edit on here so i can't really play it, its kinda more of a hobby for me and not as serious as wasting all my free time on editing here but who knows maybe in the future, maybe in the future. --FromFrankTalk♬ 05:22, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Tags in the Headers

I wanted to ask about headers on the articles talk pages, for example these project tags were added to Judith Schwarz and Susan Hudson by the AfC reviewers (I think). I started a new page for draft:Linda Craddock 'Women in Red' artist project and wondered if its okay to add this project and/or other projects to the header of the talk page now rather later? Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 23:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi LorrieBrown. I don't think there's anything wrong so to speak with adding WikiProject banners to the talk pages of drafts. I think many WikiProject banner tempates have been set up so that the template recognizes that the "article" is actually still a draft and automatically specifies it is a such as well as adds the boilerplate text "This page does not require a rating on the project's quality scale." to the banner's description. So, you should be fine. Another option might be to add the WikiProject banner syntax to the page, and then hide it until the draft has been approved as an article. Once it has been approved, you or the person removing it can unhide the syntax so that the banners are now visible on the talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:04, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Many wikiproject banners actually allow the "class=draft" parameter, thus explicitly notifying the project that it is a draft within their purview. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Citations - government websites

Hi, my question is about citation protocols for factual content about places. I am wondering if it is acceptable to use town, government organization, and/or other websites with factual info about the topic even if those citations are not arms' length? The specific content I'm exploring building right now is information about provincial parks, and nearly all data on this topic that is available on the internet is on the government website associated with these parks. Obtaining multiple arms' length sources is going to be a big stretch. It's (so far) apolitical material so I'm curious where the line is drawn on these things for appropriate citation standards. Thanks! McDoggo (talk) 05:58, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

@McDoggo: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It depends on what you are trying to cite. The relevant guidelines is probably WP:PRIMARY; "A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." If you are just citing purely indisputable factual information, like the features of a park, number of visitors, etc., information from the administering government agency should be fine. The key is that the source cannot offer an interpretation of the information 331dot (talk) 10:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! Ok, I should be covered then, this is helpful. Thank you! McDoggo (talk) 12:59, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Inclusion guidelines for items on organization templates

Hi - my turn to ask a question. Are there any guidelines that say every entry on the template has to have an article, like the guidelines for inclusion on DAB pages? I saw this one Template:Gimlet Media and before deleting the unlinked entries thought I'd check. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:55, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: The guideline is at WP:EXISTING – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 22:05, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
And one rationale not mentioned on WP:EXISTING is Special:WantedPages, navboxes with red links would inflate the numbers. – (talk) 23:06, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Finnusertop and (can't figure out how to reply with a blue link for you) - I posed the question earlier on Category_talk:United_States_media_company_templates, not realizing it was more commonly called a navigation box. With your help, not only did I find another similar discussion on the WP:EXISTING talk page Wikipedia_talk:Navigation_template#Redlinks_in_templates, there was even more info on the Red link page Wikipedia:Red_link#Avoiding_creation_of_certain_types_of_red_links. There seems to be some gray area by about putting in all the members of the set, without red-linking, ie just leaving them unlinked, as I saw with Template:Gimlet Media. It seems like leaving the unlinked items won't create any unintended problems like on Special:WantedPages. I'm going to continue this discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Navigation_template#Redlinks_in_templates. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
TimTempleton links are red when the link target doesn't exist (but only for local links, external links or interwikilinks always render blue). Jannik Schwaß (talk) 14:05, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Jannik Schwaß I couldn’t figure out how to make the IP address blue like it is in the signature above. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 15:21, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Contributions before registering and how to add them to your current profile?

Hello, sorry if this is the wrong section, I am kinda overwhelmed with the site's features.

I want to add the contributions I've done (before registering) to my account. I know that Wikia records the IP left after a Contribution so I guess it wouldn't be impossible. Is it possible for my contributions from my IP and my profile to be synchronized? Is it a feature?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruck8 (talkcontribs) 20:51, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Bruck8, I'm fairly certain this is not possible—but you can definitely say on your user page what IP you edited under, and link to that contributions page. Eman235/talk 21:23, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Eman235, That's my understanding as well. S Philbrick(Talk) 22:17, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Bruck8, you can create your user page by clicking here: User:Bruck8 and then at the top of the page, click Create. --valereee (talk) 15:54, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

About references for notability

Hey! My recently published article Abhijeet Srivastava has a tag about its notability. The subject is a bollywood singer and has sung for songs under two old and reliable music labels. I've cited two online platforms like and iTunes, which are not considered credible enough by editors. Please suggest me some platforms which could be used as reference. Is IMDb profile good enough to be used? Please suggest me. Abhayoct13th (talk) 15:28, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

@Abhayoct13th: please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources. In this case, I'd imagine those would be newspapers, music or film magazines, and books. If you can't find any reliable sources like that that discuss Srivastava in detail, then the topic is not notable. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 15:50, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Thankyou Finnusertop for the information. I'll keep in mind the points you mentioned.

Abhayoct13th (talk) 15:59, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

wiki code mystery

Hi, Just wondering why in this version the April articles are missing while they appear in the current version. I couldn't find what made the articles disappear or reappear. Thanks --Golan's mom (talk) 14:02, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm not certain, Golan's mom, but I think it's probably the pipe character ("|") omitted from the end of the "columns" line. --ColinFine (talk) 16:21, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Have two versions of the same article, can you delete one of them?


I am working on an article "Jamie Meyer" (in my sandbox). Now I have learned that I have two versions of the same article (one copy). I s it possible for any of you to delete one of them, so I have only one left to work with? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uppsalaelle (talkcontribs) 14:26, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Uppsalaelle Looks like one is at User:Uppsalaelle/sandbox and the other at Draft:Jamie Meyer. Which one are you wanting to keep? If you put this at the top of the page you don't want, someone will delete it: {{Db-g7}} --valereee (talk) 14:53, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Valeree! Thanks for the help! I need to try to understand what you mean. I'm not technical. I dont know how I manage to create two articles. It does not matter which one is deleted, the text is quite similar. Huge thanks anyway! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uppsalaelle (talkcontribs) 15:20, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Uppsalaelle: (and may I say what a lovely name that is :D ) you did not do anything wrong - another editor moved the article from User:Uppsalaelle/sandbox to Draft:Jamie Meyer because the latter is a better location for an article that is under development. Unfortunately, it looks like they forgot to tell you about it, and so when you went back to your original title, User:Uppsalaelle/sandbox, you created a new draft there. Nothing to worry about though, it's just a matter of deleting the copy and making sure that you know which version to work on! Shall I tag User:Uppsalaelle/sandbox with the deletion template for you, or do you prefer to do it yourself? It's just a matter of pasting the code that Valereee supplied at the top of the page. --bonadea contributions talk 15:33, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, bonadea, and sorry, Uppsalaelle for providing confusing instructions! :) I try to remember how very overwhelming this whole process can be for new users! --valereee (talk) 15:48, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

bonadea Hi Bonadea! Huge Thanks!!! Can you send the tag for deletion? And then I try to find the draft instead. I only see the sandbox now. Wikipedia is quite complicated :)

@Uppsalaelle: OK, it's tagged! The draft is at Draft:Jamie Meyer - just click that link and it will take you to the draft. --bonadea contributions talk 16:27, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

What principle of science is a creationist obligated to reject?

I am a new editor who got into a discussion with more experienced editors about a source used in my edits that had been reverted. In response to a puzzling statement, I asked three questions, the title for this section being the first one. The response was even more puzzling, but the tone of the discussion changed dramatically when one of the participants suggested that I come here for answers, expecting "a much more positive experience." So here I am. If anyone here cares to comment or maybe even pick up the discussion where we left off, please go here for context, search for the question in the title, and check out both hits to zero in. ThomasJamesGodfrey (talk) 11:48, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello, ThomasJamesGodfrey. I'm afraid I'm a bit confused why Guy Macon should have told you at Talk:Book of Joshua to bring your questions here. It is true (I hope) that Teahouse hosts are focused on welcoming new users, but to my mind this is not a place for questions about specific articles, and even less about the philosophy of science or anything else. I'm sorry that you seem to be getting sent from one place to another, but I doubt if anybody is going to be willing to address that question here.
I'm not sure where else to send you. If it were a dispute about the content of the article, I would point you at the dispute resolution process. But for the more philosophical question you are asking, perhaps there is an active Wikiproject that is relevant; or else to the Village Pump. --ColinFine (talk) 13:08, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
I was hoping that ThomasJamesGodfrey could get some general (not specific) advice on how to contribute to the encyclopedia in ways other that introducing fringe theories into religion pages (which he says that he understands will not fly and has stopped doing). He appears to be a new user who isn't quite clicking on what kind of edits are helpful and what kind of edits are pretty much certain to get immediate push-back from other editors. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:41, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
@ColinFine: Thanks for explaining. I see that Guy Macon has also explained why he suggested that I come here. He evidently thought I was looking for answers to more general questions only and didn't really care about the questions I had asked him. I thought he meant that I might get answers to my questions for him in a less hostile, more welcoming environment. The environment here seems fine to me, but I should have realized that it would be hard to find anyone willing to take up his side in our discussion. Oh, well. At least the confusion has been cleared up. If I just made a mess here, feel free to get rid of this section. No problem. Best regards. ThomasJamesGodfrey (talk) 19:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Anote Tong's assessment

Hi! Nice to meet you! Hope you're having a nice day!. Well, I am working hard on Anote Tong's article, former President of Kiribati, and I would need (if someone can do it) assess an importance level (Low - Mid - High - Top), to the "Kiribati Project" template. Could anybody be available and able to do that? I would be very thankful!!. -- --LLcentury (talk) 18:31, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Since he was a president, the importance is top. Ruslik_Zero 20:13, 12 May 2019 (UTC)