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Removal of red-links from navigation boxes.[edit]

Hello, there's this user (User:Aspects), who constantly deletes red-links from navigation boxes by referring to "per WP:NAV". Do we have a policy like this? --Joseph (talk) 20:58, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Someone who cares about an article may very well adjust links as part of other work on that topic. However, no one should systematically remove links or anything else without first getting consensus that such activity would be worthwhile. In addition to WP:NAV, WP:REDNO has some guidance. Similar discussions are WT:Navigation template#Red links and WT:Manual of Style/Infoboxes/Archive 12#RfC: Red links in infoboxes. Johnuniq (talk) 23:12, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
I wrote a long response, but while adding to it, kept coming across debates that show there is not much consensus regarding redlinks in navigational templates, so I will stop removing them, but will not revert any previous edits I made since I still agree with them. If I am reverted and in this case, I will not remove them again. Aspects (talk) 19:54, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

List of banned users at MfD[edit]

Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Rockstone35/list of banned users. Johnuniq (talk) 23:36, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


I was wondering if there was any sort of clubs on Wikipedia, and if i could create on if i wanted to.The 2nd Red Guy (talk) 21:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

There are WikiProject Groups - how do the clubs you have in mind differ from WikiProject Groups? Vorbee (talk) 17:21, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

There’s an RfC about CBD and Epilepsy[edit]

Located here. petrarchan47คุ 17:26, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons files[edit]

Recently I've noticed an increase on the project of something odd (at least to my eyes). As an example If you go into this article City of Adelaide (1864) and open up the image in the infobox, you are taken to a Wikipedia page which holds the image. Inside that there is a link to the Commons file. The link proudly proclaims This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below. Previously you would go straight to the Commons page, giving the same information and more. Can someone tell me what purpose this interim step to Commons serves, and why it even exists? -Broichmore (talk) 08:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

The current behavior has been that way for a long time (years, I think). The point is that something like [[File:Example.jpg]] specifies a file at this Wikipedia and if it existed, it would be shown. There is no local file in your example so Commons is checked and its image is displayed. Johnuniq (talk) 09:13, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
@Broichmore: You've the choice to activate the former behavior if you like. Directly access Preferences → Gadgets → Browsing → check Redirect image links to Commons for files hosted there and tick the option as appropriate. – Ammarpad (talk) 11:45, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Ah! I see what you mean. Yet there is an inconsistency here. This example goes straight to Commons you'll notice that the coding in the info boxes is identical. Something else is forcing this circuitous route. I still don't see how this interim page is of any value or use whatsoever. I may be unlucky, but I've noticed this phenomena increase dramatically recently. It seems the sensible thing to do is to miss this step. All files should be in Commons, except those that are uploaded as subject to copyright, degraded, and with a fair use rationale. There are loads of files in Wikipedia awaiting assessment for downloading into Commons, why create this extra work. Suspect someone has been tampering with the machine. -Broichmore (talk) 11:57, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Johnuniq is correct here. There has, as far as I am aware, always been an intermediary local page for files hosted on Commons. This is true even on projects where local image uploads are entirely disabled (see for example MetaWiki and the English Wikiquote). These transcluded intermediary pages are almost entirely useless, and can occasionally be a pain in the neck. For example, even on projects with local uploads disabled, file space is not disabled, and users can still edit this intermediary page, creating a local page which is transcluded into the intermediary page, and must be deleted rather than reverted, requiring an administrator. It can also be super annoying to be on a project with local files enabled (such as this one) if you deal with images a lot but are not a file mover on both that project and Commons, requiring twice the user rights for uninterrupted functionality.
Having said that, there are a number of reasons files are kept locally. Fair use obviously on projects that allow it (e.g., not the German Wikipedia). Also partially free images, such as those which are free in the US (for the English Wikipedia) or free under Swiss/German/Austrian law (for the German Wikipedia) but not free in their country of origin, and so not appropriate for Commons. It's also often helpful to keep high-visibility files locally because they can be attended to by local admins, rather than needing a Commons admin to do things like change the protection settings for the page. GMGtalk 12:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
@Broichmore " Yet there is an inconsistency here...". No, there's no inconsistency. In as much as you've not activated that gadget, the image in that page leads to local landing page. – Ammarpad (talk) 12:26, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
No, there is an inconsistency, before I activated the gadget if I went into City of Adelaide (1864) I would hit a landing page, and if I went into Her Majesty's Theatre, Melbourne I would not. - Broichmore (talk) 14:58, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
I don't have the gadget activated and the only image in Her Majesty's Theatre, Melbourne correctly leads to the landing page. If you can reproduce otherwise, then you should file a bug report. Though I doubt that. – Ammarpad (talk) 16:05, 22 April 2019 (UTC)