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Is HotNewHipHop a reliable source?[edit]

There have been a debate over the website HotNewHipHop. The website was added in multiple hip hop-related articles but nobody never question the website is reliable enough or should be added in WP:ALBUM/SOURCES. Should this website classified as reliable or unreliable. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 20:07, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

What did the prior discussions say? It’s good to recap that as a starting point. Sergecross73 msg me 01:09, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
And why would it be "an reliable source"? It would be "a reliable source", wouldn't it? Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:15, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
@Walter Görlitz: Sorry about my bad grammar, my English isn't good sometimes. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 20:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
In case project members are unaware, the Wikipedia article for this website has been put up for AfD at Wikipedia: Articles for deletion/HotNewHipHop, which is probably what has sparked TheAmazingPeanuts' question... not that a website needs to have a Wikipedia article to be considered reliable, of course. Richard3120 (talk) 01:22, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Quite alright. Thanks for fixing it. The discussion we had last time concluded it was reliable and I started by suggesting a discussion at WP:RSN would be the better option. Regardless, is there a reason you think it might not be reliable? Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:24, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
@Richard3120: and @Walter Görlitz: Well in case you don't know, an editor named STATicVapor think the website is not reliable because it's not added in WP:ALBUM/SOURCES. I almost got in a edit war but I decided against it and just start a discussion here instead. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 20:37, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
STATicVapor is a pretty knowledgeable editor who used to be more active a few years back. I imagine his stance is a bit more nuanced than “it’s not on the list”. Sergecross73 msg me 02:21, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
@Sergecross73: If you look at the edit summary of this edit here, I can't help to get the impression of why they think it's a unreliable source. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 21:43, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes - I was solicited here. They clearly have editorial oversight, and I noticed from a quick skim of their staff that one of their contributors is Mike Madden, whose name I recognize from Consequence of Sound; maybe there are more contributors of relative experience too. I see that the website's article is up for deletion, and I can't speak on the notability or adequacy of third-party coverage for it to have an article of its own, but this should be an adequate source for its target audience/article topic: hip hop. Dan56 (talk) 01:57, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

FYI, here was our last discussion on it. I imagine it didn’t go on either list because we were a bit split on our stance on it. Sergecross73 msg me 02:27, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Basically, I came across the source used in many articles and used as a reviewer in Critical reception sections. Back when I used to edit heavy 2010–2014, I was always under the impression it wasn't reliable and was more of a blog in nature. I don't know if anything has changed in their editoral oversight since then, but I checked RSN and this Wikiproject archives and found only the discussion linked above. Upon reading, it seemed like the consensus was that it was not very reliable, but okay to use for minor non-BLP claims such as album releases. I then checked the style guide for this Wikiproject. It said that for critical reception sections: "The standard for inclusion always is that the review meet Wikipedia's guideline for reliable sources and that the source be independent of the artist, record company, etc. A list of some sources of professional reviews is available at WP:ALBUM/SOURCES." I then checked WP:ALBUM/SOURCES and since HotNewHipHop was not there I removed it from the few album articles I came across. Sorry if I misunderstood the consensus it seemed User:Sergecross73 and Walter Görlitz thought it was either unreliable, or limited reliable. StaticVapor message me! 02:47, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes. I think it's fine to use, as it's been around for years and is well-known in reporting on hip hop news in that sector, and as pointed out by Dan56/from when I've looked in the past, I believe it has editorial oversight and is not just some run-of-the-mill blog or tabloid-like website. I also believe WP:ALBUM/SOURCES says it's not an exhaustive list, doesn't it? Or one of those pages listing good sources does... Ss112 03:56, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Reliable for article text under a byline. This website gets a lot of traffic and has paid staff attending to it. Traffic is reported as 590,000 sessions per day, or 17.7 million sessions per month.[1] The writing has editorial oversight by Rose Lilah, editor-in-chief. Lilah is considered an expert on the topic, having been quoted in this book about the hip hop sub-genre of trap, and having been invited to speak on a panel about digital strategies in hip hop at SXSW 2018. Binksternet (talk) 18:17, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Reliable not only it has an editorial oversight which is mandatory in this case and some of their contributors have written for COS, Idolator, and other publications. Furthermore several articles from other magazines get some of their information from HotNewHipHop, such as XXL magazine. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:19, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: Sounds like we have consensus that they are a reliable source. Now that this website was discussed, we can always point back to this thread. Question, so are they also a notable reviewer to use in critical reception sections/review score boxes? StaticVapor message me! 10:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
@STATicVapor: I think the website is a notable reviewer to use in critical reception/review score boxes, since they do have a score rating system and they do review albums from popular hip hop artists. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 03:53, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
  • No - I have checked their staff page and most of the writers don't seem to have any professional experience other than HNHH, they just come across as a bunch of regular hip hop fans. But the time I completely lost faith in this website was when they falsely reported that 6ix9ine had been released from prison.--NØ 20:37, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
The headline itself says "reportedly"... they were only reporting what information they had at the time. And they later corrected the report when it became clear that this wasn't the case. That's hardly "false reporting", and they're not the first news organisation that have had to retract initial statements. Richard3120 (talk) 21:06, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
@Richard3120: The Fader accuse Anthony Fantano of promoting alt-right and racist sentiments in videos on his secondary YouTube channel "thatistheplan", which is not true. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 01:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Vintage Synth[edit]

Vintage Synth Explorer is listed as a reliable source, but I can't find any discussion about it in the archives. Was it ever discussed? Is it really considered reliable? Popcornduff (talk) 15:14, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I'd been thinking about discussing this with you ever since you put up that batch of Roland articles for deletion. I agree it was probably too much in one go, but in general I agree with you that many individual models of synthesizer don't need their own article or pass individual notability. As we both know, many of these articles were created by the user Ijustwannabeawinner, who seemed to create about three articles a day, but who has been totally absent from Wikipedia since October 2018. Many of his articles are mostly or entirely dependent on references from Vintage Synth Explorer, and I did give him a friendly warning on his talk page that the reliability of that website was likely to be questioned.
To be honest, what I see doesn't make me think it qualifies as an RS. The "About" page states that it started out as a one-person blog, and grew into a community website with contributions from its members – it's clear from this post [2] that it still depends heavily on the community members to supply its content. The one person who writes all the news articles, Naomi Bolton, has the job title of "community manager" rather than "journalist" or even "editor". That just reinforces my belief that this is a crowdsourced website where anyone can contribute, and nobody is fact-checking any of the content.
The website seems to have been added to the "reliable sources" list in this edit in January 2015 by 3family6, an editor who used to be very active on WikiProject Albums but now edits more sporadically, and on other topics. I have no idea if these sources were added following a consensus decision, or unilaterally. Richard3120 (talk) 16:29, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
We should feel free to remove it. No discussion here and none at RSN. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:47, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for these responses, guys. I've removed it from the list.
@Richard3120: My nomination was overzealous - I must have had too much coffee that day. But something really ought to be done about the abundance of terrible synth articles. They're just graveyard pages for enthusiasts to dump boring and uncited technical detail, and I still suspect many do not need to exist at all. (For example, I cover the various rereleases of the TR-808 in the TR-808 article; can't we just do that for other similar ranges of gear?) If you have any ideas for how to go about looking at these pages as a team I'm all ears. Popcornduff (talk) 00:34, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
For what it’s worth, when I was cleaning up the list in summer 2017/2018/whenever, there were a lot of sources that didn’t appear to have ever been discussed. I started discussions on a bunch that I felt were especially reliable or unreliable, but there were a ton that I couldn’t tell from a brief glance that I just never got around to opening discussions for - I got burned out after a while between not getting much input, and it being tedious work when done en masse. (And it was tiresome dealing with “website defenders” who would complain about the treatment of their website of choice) Point being - there’s a lot of entries that have had minimal discussion, so don’t hold back on challenging them if you have specific, good-faith doubts and there’s no discussions linked. Sergecross73 msg me 00:42, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
@Sergecross73: Thanks for that, Serge. I'll bear that in mind. Popcornduff (talk) 04:55, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I've just become aware of this convo. I don't recall my exact rationale for adding Vintage Synth Explorer. I presume I did so because it has 1) a writing and editorial staff rather than user generated content, and 2) the founder is a professional in the field. I'm not vested in defending the site if other editors such as yourselves deem it of poor or questionable quality/reliability.3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I can only find two people involved in the website: Matt Friedman, who started it as a personal blog and presumably still oversees it; and Naomi Bolton, who appears to do everything else on the website (writing all the articles, and maintaining the forums). Richard3120 (talk) 15:54, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

YouTube references (and others like it) used improperly[edit]

While fighting vandalism using Huggle, I saw an IP editor add YouTube as a reference for the YouTube video, violating our basic WP:RS rules. I found this was just one of many instances, which I deleted, e.g. [3]. Unfortunately, it takes little time before the IP's add the stuff back in with no sources or the same sources, and the same language, that sounds it was written by a media professional [4]. I think they are using Wikipedia as promotional advertising click bait, and there is big money it making sure the wikipedia article makes it easy to find and click on the video as a "reference" and those who are adding it care not a shred if this violates our sourcing rules.

I saw Koavf delete similar advertising that I had called into question [5], asked him about my concerns here, and he suggested I come here to discuss any problems.

I have some questions, which I might add here. --David Tornheim (talk) 22:26, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

P.S. @Binksternet: I know you are aware of the problems with Maroon 5 pages. I thought you might want to participate in this discussion (and the other section I posted below about WP:RS in this field). --David Tornheim (talk) 23:41, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Sure. YouTube URLs pointing to songs online are not much of a reference for anything. I've seen people cite them for the number of views, but that number can be artificially inflated. I've seen people cite YouTube just to say that a song exists, but it's not necessary if the song is published. If somebody is citing YouTube for musical analysis then they're even further off base. YouTube and iTunes have also been cited in a few cases where a user wants to point out a song's title styling, for instance all lower case. I don't think any of these uses count as reliable. Binksternet (talk) 01:01, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
@Binksternet: Thanks. I agree completely with your analysis. I noticed the problems continue on the Maroon 5 page and on their songs. I wonder if it would be worth requesting an "auto-confirmed" user requirement to cut down on this. I find these reversions tiresome. As soon as one IP gets enough warnings, a new one shows up. --David Tornheim (talk) 01:20, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Another very common reason for citing Amazon, iTunes, or YouTube is for release dates which I also think are not reliable and mostly just recognize when something went on sale through those vendors rather than when it was released. A source like Billboard or Rolling Stone would be appropriate for this information, not a storefront or social media outlet. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 01:23, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

What about this[edit]

@Binksternet: and @Koavf: Are sources like this legit for:

The band performed the song on 45th at Night, which originally included a special guest Eve for the remix version, but never officially recorded. However, the band later requested artist Mary J. Blige with musician Mark Ronson to appeared on the song's official remix version.[1]

or

A director's cut version include more scenes from the original video.[2]

References

  1. ^ "New Music: Maroon 5 f/ Mary J. Blige – 'Wake Up Call (Remix)'". Rap-Up. Retrieved February 2, 2019.
  2. ^ "New Maroon 5 Video - 'Wake Up' (Director's Cut)". Stereogum. August 2, 2007. Retrieved January 7, 2019.

I asked below, but got no response. I hate to burden WP:RS/N with looking at all these trivial seeming sites, but maybe that is the only choice? --David Tornheim (talk) 06:19, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Rap-Up is listed on WP:RSMUSIC as usable. StereoGum isn’t, but I thought it had been. I’ve used it in the past without issue at least. Sergecross73 msg me 17:24, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

List of most-liked YouTube videos[edit]

I have open up a talk section at List of most-liked YouTube videos about this same problem at that article here: Talk:List_of_most-liked_YouTube_videos#YouTube_as_reference_for_itself --David Tornheim (talk) 03:35, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Discogs and cover art[edit]

Is Discogs generally considered reliable when it comes to album/single cover art? I'm trying to help someone sort through whether the same cover art was used for Come to Daddy (song) and Come to Daddy (EP), but haven't been able to verify it was also used for the single. I was able to find this and this, but the cover art shown for each is slightly different: one has a label in the upper left, but the other doesn't. So, I'd figured I'd ask here to see what some others think. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:36, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

You’d treat it in accordance to WP:USERG in any context. It’s content uploaded/created by anyone who signs up without traditional editorial oversight. It can be used as a personal reference point, but not as a usable, reliable source in the Wikipedia context. Sergecross73 msg me 01:24, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Sergecross73 for taking a look. Do you know how Discogs goes about getting the images it hosts? Can they also be added by anyone or is there some sort of editorial control over them? -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:33, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Help finding a Radiohead source[edit]

The 2001 Radiohead song I Might Be Wrong, from their album Amnesiac, was released as a promo single (see Discogs), but I can't find a source for this anywhere. Does anyone have any suggestions of where to look?

Another thought: would anyone mind taking a look at the I Might Be Wrong page and seeing if we think it deserves to exist at all? I haven't been able to find much coverage of the song independently of the Amnesiac album, and most of the stuff on the page is poorly cited anyway. Popcornduff (talk) 05:15, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Brandt Luke Zorn might have some insight here... Popcornduff (talk) 05:16, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@Popcornduff: Missed this earlier, I was inactive for a little while in late April. Found something in the book Radiohead: Music for a Global Future. From p. 116, via preview of the book on Amazon): "Meanwhile, 'I Might Be Wrong' was released in early June [2001] as a video and radio-only single in America, quickly followed that month with the release of the album ..."
There's also a bit more out there on the music video. From Medium Cool: Music Videos from Soundies to Cellphones, p. 92–93: "In fact the marketing of Radiohead took an interesting corporate swerve when the video 'I Might Be Wrong' was released exclusively on the Internet in QuickTime. The group's producer then took part in an Apple advertising venture disguised as a news story ... in which he was quoted as saying, 'We used a multitude of Macs for audio editing, manipulation and sequencing on pretty much all the tracks on Kid A and Amnesiac.'" Here's that archived "news story", really a press release on Apple's website. No Logo, indeed.
I think there's gotta be enough out there for an "I Might Be Wrong" article, but it would have to be put together properly to avoid becoming a stub. It wasn't too substantial when you nixed it into a redirect, so no worries. I might work on rebuilding it later this week. —BLZ · talk 21:45, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
@Brandt Luke Zorn: Great work as ever, BLZ. References in books always seem to escape me - so much easier writing about modern releases where everything is covered online. Feel free to restore the IMBW article if you can pull the info together.
BTW, the Amnesiac page says You and Whose Army was also released as a promo single, but I can't even find that on Discogs, so I'm going to trim it unless you have any ideas there. Popcornduff (talk) 03:40, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, that seems spurious to me. I can't find anything about a "You and Whose Army" promo single at all. All I could find was a page for such a single on RateYourMusic, which says there was a "Promo, Streaming" digital file single. I checked the correction history (an account's required to see this page) and the only source cited is... Wikipedia. Ix-nay. Good catch. —BLZ · talk 05:27, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

My Brilliant Friend: Season 1 (soundtrack)[edit]

Could someone take a look at this and assess for WP:NALBUM? It's newly created and the only source provided so far is a link to iTunes. The album exists, but it's not clear if it's notable enough for a stand-alone article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:31, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

I can't see anything online to make me believe that it should exist as a spin-off from the article about the TV series, and it should be merged into that article, in my opinion. The soundtrack has been out for four months, so it has had enough time to get some attention. I can only think it might have had some reviews in classical music magazines, or in magazines about TV and movies, which sometimes review soundtrack albums. Richard3120 (talk) 13:46, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Original album title or current one?[edit]

In 1970 Jose Feliciano released a self-titled album of Christmas songs, one of which was "Feliz Navidad". The album spent four weeks on Billboard's Christmas Albums chart in December 1973 and did not chart again under that title. Another self-titled Feliciano album was released in 1981 and reached the magazine's R&B Albums chart, but it does not have its own Wikipedia page yet. When the Christmas album was reissued in 2001, it was retitled Feliz Navidad and has appeared on the Holiday Albums chart during the past two Christmas seasons. The page for it was given the 2001 name with disambiguation, but I don't know if there's any precedent that says which name it should have. I would have guessed that it should be under its original title and disambiguated with "(album)" until a page is created for the 1981 album. I'd be curious to hear if there's already been a consensus on this sort of thing or if we need to create one. Danaphile (talk) 02:32, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I would say per WP:COMMONNAME to use the title the album is more commonly referred by. I have no clue what that title would be here since this isn’t normally the genre I edit in (I typically edit within EDM, so yeah, this is completely out of my league.) Jalen D. Folf (talk) 05:09, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Notice of discussion of track listing RS[edit]

Please see this discussion at WP:RS/N about how to handle track listing WP:RS: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Track_listings.

I have little doubt this discussion has been covered in depth somewhere, but where to find it? Please comment there. --David Tornheim (talk) 00:35, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Notice of discussion about dbase.tube as reliable source[edit]

Please see this discussion at WP:RS/N:

--David Tornheim (talk) 23:38, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Inaccuracies in Billboard database for streaming charts[edit]

Hi all. I recently came across some odd errors in the Billboard database. It displays data for streaming charts before those charts even existed. For example, I found that it shows an album charted on "Top Album Sales"—a streaming-related chart that didn't exist until December 2014—as far back as 2000. You can see my full post about it here, on the talk page of Wikipedia:Record charts. If you know anything about this issue, feel free to weigh in. This issue involves Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs too, so I'm bringing it up there as well. —BLZ · talk 20:20, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Crossfader Magazine[edit]

In your opinion, is Crossfader Magazine a reliable source for music? [6] For example, could I use this review [7] as a source? Blueberry72 (talk) 10:22, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

I would argue that there isn't enough on the site to determine if it's a reliable source. It does not have a staff page but the entry you link to discusses the reviewer, but he has not reviewed quite a while. Since Lust for Life (Lana Del Rey album) already has ten reviews from clearly reliable sources, I don't think another is needed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:31, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
I wanted use that review for Lust for Life's genre and its Composition section, but if the reliability of the website isn't clear, I suppose it's better not to cite it Blueberry72 (talk) 14:42, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
@Blueberry72: I dug a bit farther into Crossfader. Most of this goes beyond the scope of using it in the Lust for Life article, this is just my general opinion about their reliability. The site began in August 2015 and was discontinued in August 2018, according to this farewell op-ed from the editor.
There's an article about Crossfader published in 2016 by The Panther, which is Chapman University's official student newspaper (I would generally consider an official student newspaper at a major American university to be a reliable source). From that article:
  • Crossfader was a publication founded and edited by a Chapman student, with a staff of about 25 student contributors.
  • The article includes a positive assessment of the publication's quality from a professor (one who has published a book, which is just to say that the professor has some credibility and is not just a random cherry-picked adjunct or something like that).
  • Crossfader conducted interviews with some bands signed to Burger Records, and the site's music features section shows that they conducted interviews with many other independent artists. Checking at random, some of their interview subjects were notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles: Melvins, Aaron Weaver of Wolves in the Throne Room, Jpegmafia, Aja (drag queen).
  • Crossfader had a podcast in partnership with the university radio department, which suggests some level of institutional oversight and adherence to professional standards (i.e., someone was checking to make sure that they weren't swearing on the airwaves and that the show otherwise conformed to the university's standards of student conduct).
While Crossfader is now defunct, it was continued immediately by a new project with much of the same staff, Merry-Go-Round. The announcement of the first print issue of Merry-Go-Round says "we made some good pals over at the Fader last spring after a legal situation developed (water under the bridge!), and they were generous enough to give us a few tips and design suggestions to start our own run of bona fide tactile magazines." Here are Merry-Go-Round's About page and Staff masthead. According to his Twitter bio, the current music editor at Merry-Go-Round has been published elsewhere (at Collider and OC Weekly), and this same guy happens to be the writer of that Lana Del Ray review.
Based on all of the above, I think it would be appropriate to cite Crossfader for some limited purposes. It rises above a mere self-published source. It had editorial direction and oversight, and the transition into Merry-Go-Round shows that the staff have serious professional aspirations and standards. In general, I'd say any interviews on the site are credible for conveying the artist's statements. I agree with Walter Görlitz that the site's reviews should not be used in the "Professional ratings" infobox or (most) reception sections, although I think this is a question of notability rather than reliability. It's the same reason we wouldn't normally cite an (otherwise reliable) official college newspaper's review of a high-profile album, which is, who cares? But I think citing a review for purposes of describing an album's content would probably be fine. That is, it would be OK to cite the reviewer's observations and description of the music, but not the reviewer's opinion/assessment of the music's quality. However, I would not advise relying on Crossfader reviews for claims that are likely to be controversial/disputed in and of themselves.
Last thing: I see that there's a minor edit war going on over whether Lust for Life is a pop music album. I'd think it would be a fairly noncontroversial point that Lana Del Rey makes pop music, but unfortunately genre labelling in infoboxes always finds a way to become needlessly controversial. I skimmed the reviews in the ratings box and, if I were you Blueberry72, I would cite to the Rolling Stone and Telegraph reviews to demonstrate that it's a pop album. —BLZ · talk 22:31, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. If there's a notability problem, I think it would be unwise to cite Crossfader Magazine. Blueberry72 (talk) 10:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Make maintenance category more useful[edit]

Category:Music infoboxes with unknown value for type has served us well over the last few years. A number of editors have battled through the thousands of type errors that were listed in it, until only a handful now remain. The problem now though is that it has so many user-space pages listed in it, that finding actual main-space articles is the proverbial hunt for a needle in a haystack. Does anyone have any objections to not listing user-space pages in the category? - X201 (talk) 07:58, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Amarte Es un Placer (album) FAC[edit]

I have nominated Amarte Es un Placer (album) for FA and was wondering if anyone would care to comment on it. Thanks. Erick (talk) 22:30, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Extra chronology[edit]

Is the usage of extra chronology as seen in this article acceptable? It looks clutter-like and unneeded to me, considering that the soundtrack isn't the main topic. DeluxeVegan (talk) 18:25, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Definitely too much, because it's not strictly correct. Those should be the album chronologies, but as each artist has only contributed one or two songs to the album, it's not "their" album. The chronologies ought to be the songs on each soundtrack... but as these songs aren't individually notable, they don't need the extra chronology, especially as there's no indication that they were released as individual singles. Richard3120 (talk) 18:36, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Yikes. Whether guidelines allow for it or not, I feel like you shouldn't want to do it that way. Its very overwhelming for the reader to look at. I don't think it'd be effective at all as is. Sergecross73 msg me 19:28, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I have removed the template as per the consensus here. DeluxeVegan (talk) 19:48, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
If I am not mistaken, this can be taken to generally apply to cases like this one here and this too, right? DeluxeVegan (talk) 15:18, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Result of RfC re: categorizing all works by an artist by genre[edit]

User:Robert McClenon has closed the RfC: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#RfC_on_categorizing_all_works_by_an_artist_by_genre. IMO, this means we should not be adding genre categories to categories like Category:Lady Gaga albums or Category:Lady Gaga songs. In past discussions, some editors took issue with this. I am wondering, how can we move forward, or what changes need to be made to album categories on a mass scale? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:29, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Update needed to Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice?[edit]

Any updates needed to Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice, based on the RfC result? ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:05, 20 May 2019 (UTC)