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I think this situation is going to merit some kind of mention in the July newsletter (beyond Fram's name simply being listed), although obviously we can't write it until more becomes clear about what took place and what will take place in the ensuing days. I'm just commenting so that the next newsletter doesn't go out in July without it. Enigmamsg 18:59, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Enigmaman, a summary has been added to the "Miscellaneous" section in the upcoming newsletter: Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter/2019/7. We tried to make it as neutral as possible. Mz7 (talk) 08:34, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

CSD changes[edit]

The scope of CSD criterion G8 has been reduced regarding redirects: The only redirects that it now applies to are those which target non-existent pages, see WT:CSD#Tightening G8 with respect to redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 11:12, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

G14 has been expanded slightly to include: "orphan "Foo (disambiguation)" redirects that target pages that are not disambiguation pages or pages that perform a disambiguation-like function (such as set index articles or lists)." This change is per Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Deletion of redundant (disambiguation) redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 08:39, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

@Thryduulf: I added these items to July's newsletter. Mz7 (talk) 08:40, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on the newsletter, Mz7. Regular publication is a much needed sign of stability in these rocky times. Liz Read! Talk! 22:46, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, Liz! The newsletter is a collective effort, so thanks is due to every username in the page history. Face-smile.svg Mz7 (talk) 23:43, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Missed one -IAdmin[edit]

Just FYI, Special:PermaLink/913861106#Inactive_interface_administrators_2019-08-28 for Evad37, -IAdmin, inactivity in IAdmin functions. — xaosflux Talk 00:43, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Xaosflux, thanks for the catch (and I also apologize about the tardiness of the newsletter this month). I'll put Evad37 on next month's newsletter. Mz7 (talk) 00:51, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Begging your pardon, Mz7, but I've just gone and started it. ~ Amory (utc) 11:07, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Courcelles and October 2019 issue[edit]

Not sure if it's proper to edit a newsletter that's already gone out. I wanted to note that Courcelles relinquished his CU/OS rights in September, but was not mentioned in that section of the newsletter. GorillaWarfare (talk) 18:33, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

The September issue hasn't yet gone out, so I've added that :) Sam Walton (talk) 18:40, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Oh, excellent. Thanks! GorillaWarfare (talk) 18:48, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Speaking of which, it's looking good to go to me - thoughts @Amorymeltzer:? Sam Walton (talk) 18:55, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
I usually ping Mz7 and MusikAnimal, they've a tendency to find things I don't and rephrase items for the better. FWIW, Samwalton9, I included these two items as the first would be quite helpful to sysops monitoring vandals and their targets (it's one of the chief reasons it's being created, I think) and the second would be a big policy change. ~ Amory (utc) 23:31, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Amorymeltzer, thanks for doing this this month. I took a look, and I made this change which spelled out what "CFD/S" was. I am also not fully convinced on the notability of the RfC that was SNOW closed without change to current practice. I looked at the items that Samwalton9 removed, and I think the temporary watchlist feature would be noteworthy. I took a look, and it does not look like we included the previous "end portals" discussion back in April 2018: Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter/2018/5. That's all the nitpicks I've got, I think. Mz7 (talk) 04:51, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Agree with Mz7 regarding the SNOW close - I'm not sure what recent practice has been but I'm not generally in favour of reporting that the status quo remains. I've reinstated the watchlist point. Sam Walton (talk) 10:03, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
All right by me! I'm happy to send it out if you like ~ Amory (utc) 10:24, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Go for it! Face-smile.svg Mz7 (talk) 11:28, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Sent out, but even though it says there's nothing in the queue I ain't seeing it go out. All in due time I suppose... ~ Amory (utc) 11:47, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Took longer than normal, but all set. ~ Amory (utc) 12:04, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Mailing list[edit]

The first Admin newsletter nearly 3 years ago was sent to all admins. Currently there are 575 users on the mailing list of whom 201 are not admins leaving only 374 admins subscribed. This is not many of the 1,153 (as of now) administrator accounts (active and otherwise). 500 of them active (as of 2019-10-13 ) - defined as 30 or more edits during the last two months.

However, many largely inactive admins dating back to 2004 or earlier occasionally do indeed carry out the occasional logged action from which it is evident that they may well not be familiar will all the important changes over the years which directly affect admin work. Perhaps it's time to encourage more admins to subscribe, but how can this now be achieved by not injuring the sensitivities of those who have not chosen to opt in, or who may not even have noticed the first newsletter before it was auto archived from their talk pages? Maybe from the beginning it should have been an opt-out rather than an op-in newsletter. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:10, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Pinging Amorymeltzer, Barek, Bishonen Boing! said Zebedee, Isaacl, Mkdw, MusikAnimal, Mz7, Samwalton9, and Xaosflux Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:19, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

@Kudpung: Before the first newsletter went out we had this discussion where consensus was against opt-out, which is how we arrived at the decision to send out the first issue to all admins and then go opt-in. Will give some thought to how we could encourage more admins to sign up. Sam Walton (talk) 02:50, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
@Kudpung: I chose not to opt-in, and instead have it transcluded into User:Barek/tools. I find that solution worked better for me. -- Barek (talkcontribs) - 02:56, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
We don't want to force admins to get this talk post if they don't want it. We already post it at WP:AN, feel free to leave a note under the next one reminding that subscribing may be useful. Active admins that don't subscribe may simply be reading it there. — xaosflux Talk 03:10, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
One of the problems of posting it at AN, Xao is the same as that of rarely active admins not following that page. I consider myself to be a fairly active admin and generally up to date on most things because I take part in most discussions , especially those that concern policy and changes inn user rights, etc., but I must admit that I don't always pay attention to what gets posted at AN. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:28, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Indeed — AN is a mess of ban proposals/appeals, it can be tough to find wheat in the chaff. I do think it likely that more folks are seeing it beyond just those subscribed, whether by AN, "dashboard" pages, or elsewhere. ~ Amory (utc) 10:13, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Another mass message to admins notifying them of the newsletter and opt-in instructions could be considered. Mkdw talk 03:41, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Which is exactly the reason why I started this thread. I may be wrong, but my feeling tells me there have been a lot more changes in the last 3 years than in any other similar sample period. I certainly see 'rarely active' admins (and new ones too) doing things that while they may not be wrong per se, based on what they should know cause me to raise an eyebrow. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:33, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Now that I have read the original discussion (thank you Sam) I don't think Bishonen's fears are justified - there's a big difference between being educated and being informed. I think Sam made an unfortunate choice of vocabulary in this very appropriate comment. If he had used 'inform' instead of 'educate' perhaps Bish might have seen 'opt-out' in a more positive light. Beeblebrox referred to The Signpost but one should not overestimate the information power of the periodical. It informs, for sure, but not always on the things it should and not always in sufficient detail. It has a very ecclectic readership and admins are far from all being subscribed to it. Beeb is also one of the admins who keeps himself up to date anyway, and does so systematically after an absence from WP.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:39, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
I think admins need to accept the fact that from time to time they're going to receive a message about certain things related to being an admin, such as a reminder about the newsletter, changes to activity requirements, etc. etc. We want our admins to be informed and it's already an expectation that admins be familiar with current practices. Mkdw talk 05:34, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm not an admin any more and I'm not directly affected (and, frankly, I'm finding the community elements arguments regularly appearing on our drama boards as so increasingly toxic (an overused word, but it seems apposite) that the likelihood of my ever asking to return is diminishing - there's a fight on ANI at the moment involving very experienced Wikipedians (including an admin) that I find particularly repulsive). But in response to a ping by my friend Kudpung กุดผึ้ง, I'll offer my thoughts. I agree that admins need to be updated on what's changing (especially the less active ones who have not taken part in discussions that have led to changes), and I am convinced that AN is not sufficient for it. Usually, I would support newsletters as being opt-in (and I can't remember what I thought about the admin newsletter when it was last discussed), but in this case I currently think the admin newsletter should be opt-out. Admins should commit themselves to keeping up to date with changes, and opting out says "I'll keep up to date myself", but I think we need that active commitment. There should be no excuses for not knowing what has changed. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:10, 14 October 2019 (UTC)