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Consideration of xISBN[edit]

Has it ever been considered to use xISBN integration into special:booksources? xISBN is an OCLC service API which given a single ISBN returns a list of associated ISBNs, like all the editions of a specific title. How would one go about proposing such an integration? As a disclaimer I do work for OCLC. Maximiliankleinoclc (talk) 00:45, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

It looks like it was already included in the Wikipedia:Book sources#Find other editions section, when you asked in May! I've now updated the link to the main OCLC page, based on Nakohdo's recent update to your comment above.
Let us know if anything else needs to be tweaked. (If the API gave more verbose/useful output, then I might suggest moving it further up the page, but the plaintext list of isbns is only potentially helpful, not obviously/clearly helpful. If you see what I mean.) HTH. —Quiddity (talk) 18:26, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I just tried the xISBN link and it returns only a list of ISBNs. The xISBN documentation says that it returns metadata plus a list of ISBNs. Does this mean that something needs to be changed in how the query is sent? LaMona (talk) 15:31, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

RfC on new library search tool for Wikipedia[edit]

We have a new tool, Forward to Libraries, which helps readers find books at their local library related to the articles they are reading. There is an RfC at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Linking subjects to books at your local library (Forward to Libraries) to determine how this tool should be used on Wikipedia. Interested users may wish to comment there. 64.40.54.57 (talk) 01:09, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Treatment of invalid ISBNs[edit]

This article contains a ref that has been assigned an invalid ISBN and is tagged as such in the citation template. Following the ISBN link in the article will take one here, where a scary red message is (in my opinion) likely to strongly discourage people from searching further by this method, however the "find this book" links for at least WorldCat and COPAC Union work perfectly well. Is it technically feasible to suppress the warning in these cases (where the ISBN has been explicitly tagged as "invalid but definitely as-printed"), perhaps by passing an additional argument to Special:BookSources? TuxLibNit (talk) 18:34, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

@TuxLibNit: You should probably ask at Help talk:Citation Style 1, as that is the page generally most watched by the editors familiar with Module:Citation/CS1, the Lua module that creates the error message. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 22:01, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
@Mr. Stradivarius: Thanks, but are you certain I'm in the wrong place? I'm talking about the error displayed on the Special:BookSources page under the "Go" button like this not the error displayed in the article as part of the {{cite book}} or whatever. Also, even if the error itself is generated in Module:Citation/CS1 this question is as much about the mechanics of how that module is plumbed into Special:BookSources. Does that aspect also belong elsewhere? — TuxLibNit (talk) 22:19, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
@TuxLibNit: Ah, sorry, I didn't read that carefully enough. The warning on Special:BookSources is generated by MediaWiki itself, and the algorithm that determines whether the ISBN is valid or not is also defined in the MediaWiki software, and is separate from the one used in Module:Citation/CS1. I'd suggest WP:VPT as a first port of call, which a few MediaWiki developers normally watch. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 22:34, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Estonia[edit]

Kaljukask (talk) 10:39, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 03:38, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Broken Links[edit]

AbeBooks[edit]

Name is given as "Abebooks", but company name is actually mixed case: AbeBooks, and the link is presently to Advanced_Book_Exchange = old name.

Current ISBN link code for AbeBooks is not broken, but neither is it up to date. A better version might be http://www.abebooks.com/products/isbn/MAGICNUMER

Zac Thompson (talk) 09:50, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

National Library of New Zealand link obsolete[edit]

The search link no longer works and now should be something like "https://natlib.govt.nz/items?utf8=%E2%9C%93&text=MAGICNUMBER" --210.48.175.36 (talk) 22:40, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

National Library of Luxembourg[edit]

Could someone edit the link to our discovery system please? It should link to http://a-z.lu/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?fn=search&vl(freeText0)=MAGICNUMBER instead of http://aleph.etat.lu/...

Thank you in advance! Michael 185.106.24.16 (talk) 10:38, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

RERO library catalogue of Switzerland[edit]

Could someone edit the link to "RERO catalogue collectif" please? It should link to https://explore.rero.ch/ instead of http://opac.rero.ch/gateway?lng=en

The book specific link should point to https://explore.rero.ch/en_US/rero/result?fd=any&pr=contains&se=MAGICNUMBER instead of http://opac.rero.ch/gateway?lng=en&submittheform=Search&usersrch=1&beginsrch=1&function=INITREQ&search=KEYWORD&u1=1035&t1=MAGICNUMBER

State Library Victoria catalogue link[edit]

The link to the State Library of Victoria library system catalogue is no longer valid as we have upgraded to a new version of catalogue software with a new URL.

Could someone please update the link to use the following form: http://search.slv.vic.gov.au/primo-explore/search?query=isbn,contains,MAGICNUMBER,AND&vid=MAIN&mode=advanced

Thanks in advance, Marcus

Book Source Suggestion for India[edit]

Since there is no option for India listed currently, I will like to suggest adding Shimply as one possible option for users to find the book - Find this book

Shimply.com has India's largest book catalog. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajatgarg79 (talkcontribs) 12:38, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2015[edit]

External link to

http://www.acc.umu.se/home/saasha/getcover/

10-digit/13-digit conversion tools — ISBN converter (with optional hyphenation after conversion)

This link would fit under "10-digit/13-digit conversion tools" in the response page when you search a book by its ISBN at (for example)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9780674896451#Find_other_editions

It converts and hyphenates (almost) all ISBNs in the world. The converter at loc.gov only hyphenates ISBNs for some countries.

It can give information in several formats. It provides more information than the converter at ISBN.org if you compare

http://isbn.org/xmljson.php?request_data={%22isbn%22%3A%229780674896451%22}&request_code=isbn_convert

with the concise URL (where "LF4" stands for formatting with linebreaks and 4 indents) at

http://www.acc.umu.se/~saasha/getcover/?isbn=9780674896451&propsep=LF4

where you get URNs, links and thumbnail info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:6B0:E:2018:0:0:0:224 (talk) 23:36, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

2001:6B0:E:2018:0:0:0:224 (talk) 19:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Not really sure how this fits into this page - please specify exactly how/where you would add it and what purpose it would serve here, and re-open the request. Thanks, --ElHef (Meep?) 15:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

adding inventaire.io in Book-swapping websites[edit]

Hi, I'm the developer of inventaire.io and I wonder if it could be added as a book source, probably in the Book-swapping websites section: it's a book giving/sharing/selling platform based on Wikidata and Wikipedia; so much so that it is now used as an example of how to integrate Wikidata knowledge as an external application.
The link to a book page can either be from its isbn - e.g. https://inventaire.io/entity/isbn:978-2-07-027437-6 - or it's Wikidata id - e.g. https://inventaire.io/entity/wd:Q53592. Is it the right place to make such a request?
Zorglub27 (talk) 09:50, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

@Maxlath: This is the right place for the request. Your website is very attractive in presenting the Wikidata and Wikipedia information on a book. However, it isn't clear to me what value it would offer people here. Most users of this page are looking to obtain a copy, search its text, or locate reviews, none of which inventaire.io seems to facilitate. What does inventaire.io offer our users? Daask (talk) 12:33, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
@Daask:
Copies of "From the Earth to the Moon" by Jules Verne being offered for lending or selling on inventaire.io
inventaire.io primary goal is to facilitate obtaining a copy of a book a friend or neighbor might be offering to give, lend, or sell, and it might also offer the possibility to publish reviews under a Creative Common license in some near future. -- Maxlath (talk) 16:19, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
@Maxlath:  Done with rev. 830588293. Daask (talk) 19:24, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Indiebound website accepts only ISBN-13[edit]

The IndieBound website seems to only accept ISBN-13 and not ISBN-10 as a search term. Anyone know a way to have the Book sources page convert ISBN-10's automatically to ISBN-13 to feed to this site? Blainster (talk) 04:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

There are interactive tools listed at Wikipedia:ISBN#Types, including one by @Nihiltres:. Perhaps it could be used or reworked to address this somehow? LeadSongDog come howl! 15:51, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
This would in theory be best addressed in the back end of Special:BookSources, but we might be able to smooth it over with site JS (at the cost of not supporting older browsers). Depending on how the Special:BookSources page is rendered (haven't checked specifics), we might also be able to just make a Lua-based template that does automatic conversion for the few links that require it (supporting JS-less browsers). Conversion (without validation) is relatively trivial; for reference search for methods.getDigit = and //Converted version in the source of my ISBN tool. While I haven't freely-licensed the code at this point (sheer laziness), I'm a) pretty sure that parts of it aren't copyrightable and b) open to freeing it so that it can be used on Wikipedia. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 17:10, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Authority control[edit]

Wikipedia:Authority control is relevant to identifying books, especially LCCN.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 18:05, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Leysin American School Libraries[edit]

Please add a link under Switzerland in Europe for Leysin American School Libraries. The link to the online catalog is: http://leysin.mlasolutions.com/m5/catalog/?installation=Default — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rherwatic (talkcontribs) 13:55, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Finland[edit]

Please add the following line Finna.fi (the new catalogue of Finnish libraries) under section Finland:

Also, please delete the outdated line:

Htsalminen (talk) 20:25, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

All *.linneanet.fi links are broken, see the new ones on the Finnish page. http://www.libraries.fi/ replaces the Searching catalogues link. --80.220.82.138 (talk) 18:07, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Internet Archive[edit]

Internet Archive contains books. I would like to edit this page to include searching this resource to help identify sources. Also, I worked with another editor and created a search template that works on talk pages, sandbox and draft pages. It's pretty comprehensive and works well:

I would have alerted this group sooner but didn't exactly where to find you. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS)   12:31, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

  • Particularly in the last few years, the book content of Internet Archive has exploded and they have a 'borrow' system available to registered users (free registration) for texts which are still under copyright. Should give a better representation of Internet Archive texts throughout Wikipedia. (P.S. just added sources to Kjalnesinga saga from Internet archive, for example.) --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 15:59, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Special:BookSources and ISBN 10 conversion[edit]

It would be good if, when given an ISBN-10, the page could automagically show the equivalent ISBN-13.

For example, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0-500-25060-X it would show the text:

ISBN-13: 978-0-500-25060-0

including the given link. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:36, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata links[edit]

Please add a "Find this book on Wikidata" link. The URLs will be, for example:

The hyphenation is significant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:44, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Adding Library Catalog searches in United States Universities and Colleges[edit]

  1. Please add the Michigan State University Library catalog. The URL is https://magic.msu.edu/search~/X?search=MAGICNUMBER Note:search will only accept an ISBN without the hyphen.
  2. Please add the University of California, Los Angeles Library catalog. The URL is https://catalog.library.ucla.edu/vwebv/search?searchArg=MAGICNUMBER&searchCode=ISBN&searchType=1 Note:search will only accept an ISBN without the hyphen.
  3. Please add the City University of New York Library catalog. The URL is https://onesearch.cuny.edu/primo-explore/search?query=isbn,contains,MAGICNUMBER&tab=default_tab&search_scope=everything&sortby=rank&vid=CUNY&lang=en_US Note:search will only accept an ISBN without the hyphen.
  4. Please add the University of Minnesota Library catalog. The URL is https://primo.lib.umn.edu/primo-explore/search?query=isbn,contains,MAGICNUMBER&tab=default_tab&search_scope=default_scope&sortby=rank&vid=TWINCITIES

Million Book Project[edit]

The Universal Library / Million Book Project ended in 2008, and it seems(?) that the books scanned from this project are all available from the Internet Archive. Today, at least, their website is showing an error page (although it was up at least as recently as May 2017). I removed it from this page. Daask (talk) 11:41, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Additional ebook subscription sources[edit]

MyiLibrary[edit]

Example content

Springer Ebooks[edit]

Springer's ISBNs are sensitive to hyphenation, for both direct links and search, yet they are not consistent:

I have no idea how to deal with this. Daask (talk) 14:11, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Safari Books Online[edit]

Safari Books Online seems to have two entirely separate ebook viewing modes accessed through different search pages. The one currently used, at my.safaribooksonline.com, leads to eg. http://my.safaribooksonline.com/book/web-development/ruby/9780132480352/chapter-1dot-ruby-in-review/ch01 , whereas the alternate search at www.safaribooksonline.com leads to eg. https://www.safaribooksonline.com/library/view/the-ruby-way/9780132480352/ch01.html I decided to continue using my.safaribooksonline.com, since www.safaribooksonline.com won't find some alternate ISBNs, eg. 978-0-321-71463-3 (compare). Daask (talk) 14:11, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Library library catalog question[edit]

Should this use "Monterey Public Library catalog" or "Monterey Public Library library catalog"? Right now, it isn't consistent. I have a mild preference for the former, but mostly would like it to be consistent. Daask (talk) 13:23, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

The former. No need for the repetition. Thinker78 (talk) 04:12, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2018[edit]

I would like to add World of Books to the list of 'individual sellers' for the UK.

URL format is: https://www.worldofbooks.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=MAGICNUMBER&cat= Daffykyle (talk) 16:21, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done L293D ( • ) 18:00, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2018[edit]

In the section: Massachusetts

 Done Thinker78 (talk) 00:53, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Request to add Mynextbook.in - Bookseller for India[edit]

Per discussions with Vrishaek (talk · contribs) on my talk page about an edit to Lathe, I'd like to request to add Mynextbook.in to the book search results as a bookseller in India if other people can vouch for its reputability. I believe the search URL is https://www.mynextbook.in/#/dfclassic/query=[INSERT ISBN HERE]&query_name=match_and. @Vrishaek:, if you know a better generic search query string, feel free to correct this. Also, if you want to explain why mynextbook.in is a good source for India, this is a great place to do it. -Furicorn (talk) 06:32, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

After further discussions with Kuru (talk · contribs) about this domain, it seems like this domain may be associated with undeclared paid editing and possibly sock- or meatpuppeting. It may not make sense to add them.
-Furicorn (talk) 23:37, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

so? Vrishaek (talk · contribs)

@Furicorn if you are afraid to reply, let your fellowmen talk to me on phone, I'll show what all links are being highlighted in wikipedia by all you moderators/fellows who talk about wiki policies.

you think that by not replying u are somewhat showing some power to me.Vrishaek (talk · contribs)

Not done per above. Fish+Karate 11:43, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

@User:Fish and karate Not done is all u could say, so total misuse of power as to what I already said, what a justification you show. as per above, u did not want to understand to what i was talking about, but you know what I am talking about. This shows your true sovereignty here. I am still ready to talk on phone for sources being shown all around on wikipedia, but you are so afraid to even reply with truth. Such is your wonderful manner you possess. Just running away is your solution? Vrishaek (talk · contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2018[edit]

In this year the address of online catalog of Tsinghua University Library have been changed. In Wikipedia:Book sources, this link in

is now broken and please change it to

  • [https://tsinghua-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/search?query=isbn,contains,[THE ISBN NUMBER]&tab=default_tab&search_scope=print_scope&vid=86THU&lang=en_US Find this book] in Tsinghua University Library

Please see the notice issued by Tsinghua University Library about the change of online catalog.-- 石慧兔 (talk) 07:30, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@石慧兔: I have added it but when I tested, it seems not working. For instance using the ISBN 7-302-04319-1 we got this link: https://tsinghua-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/search?query=isbn,contains,7-302-04319-1&tab=default_tab&search_scope=print_scope&vid=86THU&lang=en_US but it is not working. –Ammarpad (talk) 13:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
@Ammarpad: I tested the same URL on my laptop and smartphone and it works. That's odd. May I ask what browser and OS you are using? That can be useful for troubleshooting. Trying using the ISBN without dashes may also help, like https://tsinghua-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/search?query=isbn,contains,7302043191&tab=default_tab&search_scope=print_scope&vid=86THU&lang=en_US. Both links work for me, but more tests might be needed. --石慧兔 (talk) 05:32, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
@石慧兔: I am using Chrome on Mac 13. Let me see. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:48, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
OK, it is working. Giving this book "清华大学志 = = Annals of Tsinghua University." It took sometimes to load, that is why I thought it won't work and quitted before it finishes when I tested first. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:57, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Stats[edit]

Are there usage stats on how often each database is used from Special:BookSources? I'm really curious how often readers/editors use it for anything but WorldCat. czar 05:50, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Table of Contents no longer on the right when[edit]

When using Special:BookSources to look up an ISBN, the table of contents is currently appearing below the lede section for me, even if I use an extremely wide screen. Previously, it was to the right, so that it allowed the actual list of links to be immediately visible without having to scroll past the TOC. Wikipedia:Book sources itself looks correct and there is {{TOCright|limit=3}} in its source. But whatever mechanism is used in the Special transclusion of it seems to override or break that somehow. DMacks (talk) 03:01, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

DMacks, hmm, this is because TOCright was switched to make use of TemplateStyles, and apparently the Special page isn't expecting parser output. I filed phab:T212187 to fix this. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 08:36, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand the logic of this edit at all. I tried to implement a workaround that would allow this page to work properly without requiring a revert of the TOCright template, but User:Izno has reverted the page back to the version that doesn't work. --Srleffler (talk) 17:59, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Srleffler, I think that's acceptable for now, though it doesn't help with toclimit, which also won't apply due to missing template styles. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 14:18, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2019[edit]

The search URL for the Richland County, South Carolina Public Library has changed. Currently, Special:BookSources points to: http://catalog.richlandlibrary.com/polaris/view.aspx?isbn=MAGICNUMBER It should point to: https://www.richlandlibrary.com/catalog?q=&ISBN=MAGICNUMBER Jwilliek (talk) 14:23, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

 DoneJonesey95 (talk) 15:11, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Add library search for Indonesia[edit]

Please add library search for Indonesian National Library:

http://opac.perpusnas.go.id/ResultListOpac.aspx?pDataItem=MAGICNUMBER&pType=Isbn&pLembarkerja=-1&pPilihan=Isbn 

Thanks. Bennylin (talk) 16:41, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done. In the future, you can actually edit semi-protected pages yourself. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! — Newslinger talk 13:41, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Spacing before headings[edit]

Can anybody provide further assistance as to that issue concerning this page?--Hildeoc (talk) 15:09, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

For my money the issue with layout here is not so much line spacing as the fact that the Level 3 headings are shown in oversized font, making them appear more prominent than the Level 2 headings. Altering this would require someone conversant with the complex markup used on this page: Bhunacat10 (talk), 22:54, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Font sizes changed: Bhunacat10 (talk), 10:50, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Waterstones search broken fixed[edit]

Waterstone's search currently uses

   https://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/simpleSearch.do?simpleSearchString=MAGICNUMBER

for example

   https://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/simpleSearch.do?simpleSearchString=013143635X

it should use

   https://www.waterstones.com/index/search?term=MAGICNUMBER

for example

   https://www.waterstones.com/index/search?term=013143635X

unfortunately the page is view source only or I would fix it myself and I don't have a login from this computer. N.B. this will be a shared IP so don't bother with the user talk. I will maybe reply here. All the best.

188.147.36.80 (talk) 18:23, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Did my change make it work? --Izno (talk) 20:47, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
works for me now 188.147.38.76 (talk) 09:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Correct linking to Suffolk County Library System[edit]

Under libraries -> United States -> New York there is an entry for finding books in the Suffolk County Library system's catalog. Some time ago they changed the base URL for the catalog.

Need to replace "encore.suffolk.lib.ny.us" with "discover.livebrary.com"

The link should then work as the rest of the URL is unchanged.

Mfitz2019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfitz2019 (talkcontribs) 19:38, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

 Updated. Thank you. – Ammarpad (talk) 20:10, 29 April 2019 (UTC)