Father-of-three on benefits admits work 'is not in his psyche' but DENIES abusing the system - and reveals his children eat what they like, go to bed when they want and brushing teeth is optional

  • Matt and Adele Allen live in social housing in Brighton with their three children
  • Matt works a few hours as a yoga teacher and his wife is a full-time mother 
  • Dad-of-three says he has 'no intention' of finding work as it's not in his 'psyche' 
  • Family co-sleeps together, has no set bedtimes and shun mainstream medicine 
  • They say they're not abusing the social housing system because they had home births and they have a lifestyle that has a 'minimal effect on society'  

A father-of-three who lives in a council house says he has 'no intention' of finding full-time work as it's 'not in his psyche' but denies he's abusing the UK's social housing system.

Matt Allen lives with his wife Adele and their three children, eight-year-old Ulysses, Ostara, four, and baby Kai, in Brighton and works just a few hours a week as a yoga teacher. 

In the latest episode of documentary series Stacey Dooley Sleeps Over, which airs tonight on the W channel, the presenter stays with the Allen family at their council property in Brighton for three days in a bid to learn more about their unique lifestyle.

The Allens tell Dooley they let all three children co-sleep with them, decide what they want to eat, have no fixed bed time and aren't allowed mainstream medicine and haven't been vaccinated. 

In 2016, the family caused a storm on This Morning when daughter Ostara, then one, urinated on the set of This Morning while the family were being interviewed prompting viewers to call social services about their parenting style.   

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Brighton dad-of-three Matt Allen, far right, tells television presenter Stacey Dooley in the latest episode of her documentary series Stacey Sleeps Over that 'it's not in his pscyhe' to get a job. Pictured: Stacey Dooley (middle left) with Matt Allen ( far right), his wife Adele Allen (middle right) and two of their three children Ostara, four, (left) and baby Kai

Brighton dad-of-three Matt Allen, far right, tells television presenter Stacey Dooley in the latest episode of her documentary series Stacey Sleeps Over that 'it's not in his pscyhe' to get a job. Pictured: Stacey Dooley (middle left) with Matt Allen ( far right), his wife Adele Allen (middle right) and two of their three children Ostara, four, (left) and baby Kai

The family live in a council house in Brighton and Matt revealed how the parents don't believe in work because they feel spending time with their children is more important

The family live in a council house in Brighton and Matt revealed how the parents don't believe in work because they feel spending time with their children is more important 

Eldest son Ulysses, eight, can't yet write his own name, but dad Matt says he's not worried and his son has plenty of time to pick up literacy skills. 

Daughter Ostara, four, is mostly still in nappies, mum Adele says on her Instagram page, believing that children learn 'through imitation and natural consequences'.

Matt, who battles an autoimmune disease, says he feels it's more important that he's at home with the couple's children rather than working. 

The yoga instructor says he doesn't feel that he's abusing the social housing system because his family's lives have a 'minimalist impact on society'.

Asking how he affords to provide for his family while working just a few hours a week, Dooley asks: 'How do you do it all Matt, is it all benefits?' 

He responds: 'Mostly, mostly, but we claim the very bottom line.

During the hour-long show, Stacey quizzes Matt on whether he's 'abusing the system' by forcing the tax-payer to pay his family's rent when he could work to earn a living

During the hour-long show, Stacey quizzes Matt on whether he's 'abusing the system' by forcing the tax-payer to pay his family's rent when he could work to earn a living 

'Spend more time with your kids' Matt says one of his main motivations for not working a 45-50 hour week in a full-time job is because he wants to spend more time with his wife and children (Pictured: Matt's wife Adele on Brighton Beach with baby Kai, son Ulysses, right, and daughter Ostara, far right)

'Spend more time with your kids' Matt says one of his main motivations for not working a 45-50 hour week in a full-time job is because he wants to spend more time with his wife and children (Pictured: Matt's wife Adele on Brighton Beach with baby Kai, son Ulysses, right, and daughter Ostara, far right)

The parents don't believe in set meal times or telling the children what they should or shouldn't eat. Picture, eldest son Ulysses eating a plate of raw mushrooms, Brussels sprouts and crisps

The parents don't believe in set meal times or telling the children what they should or shouldn't eat. Picture, eldest son Ulysses eating a plate of raw mushrooms, Brussels sprouts and crisps 

Ulysses, who doesn't attend mainstream school, decides to eat his meal on the floor of the bedroom he shares with his parents and siblings

Ulysses, who doesn't attend mainstream school, decides to eat his meal on the floor of the bedroom he shares with his parents and siblings

Ostara and baby Kai with Matt: The yoga teacher admits that his eldest son, Ulysses, eight, who is home-schooled can't write his own name but the dad-of-three says he's not worried, saying his literacy is not urgent right now

Ostara and baby Kai with Matt: The yoga teacher admits that his eldest son, Ulysses, eight, who is home-schooled can't write his own name but the dad-of-three says he's not worried, saying his literacy is not urgent right now 

On Instagram, mum Adele told her followers that the family don't enforce tooth brushing but do leave tooth brushes and a non-fluoride paste in the bathroom

On Instagram, mum Adele told her followers that the family don't enforce tooth brushing but do leave tooth brushes and a non-fluoride paste in the bathroom

When asked whether he felt he was taking advantage of system, he says: 'Do we feel as if we're abusing the system?  I really don't think we are, because we have a minimalist impact on society in many respects. 

'In regards to social systems - schools and the NHS - we save money on that. Adele didn't have births at hospital so we saved money on that. 

'So in our own unique weird wonderful way we balance the books.' 

Stacey quizzes Matt: 'You think it's justified they [local authority] pay the rent?' 

He replies: 'I'm not saying it's justified they pay the rent - it's just that it is that situation at the moment - it is what it is.' 

Stacey then puts it to Matt that many parents, who want to spend time at home with their children, have to go to work to provide for them. 

When asked what he would say to those parents, Matt replies: 'Spend more time with your kids - it's simple. I have no intention of working a 45 or 50 hour week - it's just not in my psyche.'     

Meanwhile, the couple's four-year-old daughter Ostara opted for a bowl of Monster Munch and broccoli. Dad Matt told Stacey that he wouldn't insist she ate the meal if she didn't want to, as he also believes in 'fasting'

Meanwhile, the couple's four-year-old daughter Ostara opted for a bowl of Monster Munch and broccoli. Dad Matt told Stacey that he wouldn't insist she ate the meal if she didn't want to, as he also believes in 'fasting' 

Co-sleeping: Ulysses, Ostara and Kai all share one bedroom with their parents, with the family sleeping on mattresses on the floor

Co-sleeping: Ulysses, Ostara and Kai all share one bedroom with their parents, with the family sleeping on mattresses on the floor 

Dad Matt also believes in fasting saying he wouldn't force his children to eat if they wanted a day off food (Pictured Ulysees, left, and Ostara)

Dad Matt also believes in fasting saying he wouldn't force his children to eat if they wanted a day off food (Pictured Ulysees, left, and Ostara)

On Instagram, mum Adele said the family don't enforce teeth brushing, saying: 'We do put toothbrushes out in the bathroom but not fluoridated toothpaste and we do NOT enforce teeth brushing'

Elsewhere in the documentary, it's revealed that the family have no rules when it comes to meal times, with the children choosing to eat whatever they want, whenever they want. 

At one point in the hour-long episode, their son Ulysses chows down on a meal of raw mushrooms, raw Brussels sprouts and crisps. 

Matt also reveals that he believes in 'fasting' and admits that if there was a day his children decided they didn't want to eat anything, he wouldn't insist that they did. 

The presenter asks: 'If there was a day where they just weren't hungry and they didn't want to eat at all would you try and encourage them to?

In an appearance on This Morning in 2016, the family spoke out about their lifestyle choices before Ostara, then one, urinated on the set of This Morning during their interview

In an appearance on This Morning in 2016, the family spoke out about their lifestyle choices before Ostara, then one, urinated on the set of This Morning during their interview

The family went back on the show in 2018, revealing that a health visitor had been to their home after This Morning viewers called social services about them after watching their chaotic first appearance on the programme. Host Philip Schofield said the children were 'very well behaved'

The family went back on the show in 2018, revealing that a health visitor had been to their home after This Morning viewers called social services about them after watching their chaotic first appearance on the programme. Host Philip Schofield said the children were 'very well behaved'

Ostara, four, is still 'mostly in nappies' mum Adele reveals on Instagram, saying she doesn't believe in comparing children to society's milestones

Ostara, four, is still 'mostly in nappies' mum Adele reveals on Instagram, saying she doesn't believe in comparing children to society's milestones

Matt quickly responds: 'No, I'm a big fan of fasting - even the dog does it sometimes.'

When it's also revealed that Ulysses isn't able to write his own name, with his mother insists 'it's 'absolutely fine' for her son to 'take his time' picking up literacy skills. 

Adele says: 'What's it stopping him from doing, other than meeting test requirements?

'I don't know any home educated children who go past the teenage skills and don't pick up the literacy skills. 

'At the moment he's eight years old and it's absolute fine for him to take his time picking up those skills - so it's not urgent right now.'

The family's appearance on This Morning in 2016 alarmed viewers so much - while they discussed their 'off-grid' parenting style Ostara weed on the studio floor - that viewers called social services. 

Back on the daytime show in 2018, the family revealed that they had had a visit from a health visitor following the concerned calls. 

Adele told Philip Schofield and Rochelle Humes, who were presenting the show, that she wasn't offended: 'When things are unfamiliar you get frightened and scared. They just had children's best interests at heart and I understand that.'  

Stacey Dooley Sleeps Over airs on Wednesdays at 10pm on W Channel

Father who lives in social housing insisted he has 'no intention' of finding full-time work

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